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      08-19-2011, 02:32 PM   #45
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Not necessarily, because the Latino voters were disappointed in Obama up until now. Now they'll go out and vote for him instead of staying home and feeling disappointed. So this was very political but it angers me that the WH and DHS bypassed our congress like this. It shows how much our country is falling apart.
There is absolutely no "Not necessarily" about what I said. This program definitely does not give these people citizenship, and they definitely WILL NOT be able to vote in 2012.


As for your idea that Politicians might actually act on behalf of the people who voted them into office, and represent their interests once they are into office, that's crazy talk. I mean, that is just exactly how a democratic elections are supposed to work. People vote for you to give you a mandate to act on their behalf while in office. When you act on that mandate given to you, people vote for you again and extend your mandate to act on their behalf. Shocking, isn't it? How could Obama be so evil as to represent the interests of the wide base of voters who elected him to act on their behalf?


Now come back to reality. We've got two choices, which do you support:

1) We can focus our DHS resources on getting the terrorists, criminals, and drug dealers illegally entering the US that are actually a threat.

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2) We can focus our DHS resources on hunting down and deporting the spouses and relatives of our OWN US SOLDIERS, and some kids who's PARENTS violated US law.

Which do you choose? Ball up and make the hard choices the DHS have to make if you are going to criticize their choice.
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They should focus on both. Choice number two is the same as saying we should open up our borders and let whomever wants to come here to come freely, this includes illegally.
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They should focus on both.

With what money?

This coming from the cut taxes, cut spending dogma guy who repeats this dogma all the time. Guess what? When you cut tax revenues to fund DHS, and cut budget appropriations for spending at DHS, they MUST re-prioritize and cut services.

We would all love for sugar plum fairies to come down and fund everybody's pet gov't program, but YOUR OWN TEA-PARTY REPUBLICANS just forced cuts to the DHS budget. That's reality. The DHS now will have less money after the Tea Party Republicans held the country hostage than they had before. This is just more proof that the Tea Party can't do math. It is more Bushie Republican "Don't Tax, and Spend Even More" policy delusion, where spending doesn't matter as long as it goes towards Republican backed program spending sprees.



Now come back to reality. We've got two choices, which do you support:

1) We can focus our DHS resources on getting the terrorists, criminals, and drug dealers illegally entering the US that are actually a threat.

OR

2) We can focus our DHS resources on hunting down and deporting the spouses and relatives of our OWN US SOLDIERS, and some kids who's PARENTS violated US law.

Which do you choose? Ball up and make the hard choices the DHS have to make if you are going to criticize their choice. You are completely hopeless.

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Can't wait for the next huge wave to arrive after the world knows that we welcome illegals with open arms as long as you stay out of jail.
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Can't wait for the next huge wave to arrive after the world knows that we welcome illegals with open arms as long as you stay out of jail.
I can't wait for this to force the issue of migrant worker reform, and taking these people and putting them into 100% lawful migrant worker programs where they can be id's and registered with the government, and have their work tracked above the table like the rest of us. And with the money saved not trying to hunt them down we can actually deal with securing the border.
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I can't wait for this to force the issue of migrant worker reform, and taking these people and putting them into 100% lawful migrant worker programs where they can be id's and registered with the government, and have their work tracked above the table like the rest of us. And with the money saved not trying to hunt them down we can actually deal with securing the border.
..but...but...

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If we enforced our laws and didn't give them access to jobs, drivers licenses, social services etc. our borders would be fine since most wouldn't bother to come here.

If we give them amnesty/citizenship no border will be strong enough to stop the hordes that will follow.
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And this is the vomit that came out:






It was so easy to predict your response, and you rose to the occasion exactly as I predicted in my post. This is just more of how I'm the bad guy, and you are so superior. Now wipe your mouth off. I'd love to swap insults all day, but your content-free ban-bait 100% personal attack posts are boring.
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IMO, this whole issue is so retarded.

The solution is quite simple:

Seal the borders by bringing troops home
Deport all illegal immigrants causing trouble and whatnot
Provide amnesty and citizenship to the rest of the illegals CURRENTLY residing in country
Draft new law that permits immediate deportation of any illegal immigrants in the future
Tax these new (now legal) immigrants
Profit

If you really think you have the ability to go out there and round up 10-20 million illegals, go right ahead. You also forget that most of these people are hard-working individuals with honest jobs who pay for themselves without access to any entitlement programs or social safety nets. And you want to deport them?! Instead, create a path to citizenship, and then work on fixing the real issue at hand; our porous borders.
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1. illegal students are ok?..so I enroll at local community college and Im good to go?.......hmmm, who were the culprits from 9/11?...hmmm...yeah students are the safest group to keep over here.

2. so if I care for a legal uncle for a few minutes a day?


Hmm...ok, the best way to keep people in line is to keep people dependent and uninformed right?...minorities make up quite abit of the welfare class no?...so more people on welfare, more control...more welfare, less reading and a less informative group....no prob, we have plenty of money, we will take all comers...Fed's electric bill gonna be high this yr.

Hmm, where have I heard this playbook before...
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1. illegal students are ok?..so I enroll at local community college and Im good to go?.......hmmm, who were the culprits from 9/11?...hmmm...yeah students are the safest group to keep over here.

2. so if I care for a legal uncle for a few minutes a day?


Hmm...ok, the best way to keep people in line is to keep people dependent and uninformed right?...minorities make up quite abit of the welfare class no?...so more people on welfare, more control...more welfare, less reading and a less informative group....no prob, we have plenty of money, we will take all comers...Fed's electric bill gonna be high this yr.

Hmm, where have I heard this playbook before...
You do realize that the attackers were issued student and tourist visas, right? They didn't illegally enter the US. So your first point is moot.
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You do realize that the attackers were issued student and tourist visas, right? They didn't illegally enter the US. So your first point is moot.
actually, there need to be more opportunities for students. have any of you ever visited a math, physics, engineering or chemistry class at a top 20 university? you'll find immigrants (or immediate children of immigrants) disproportionately represented.

same thing if you look at the any profession that is more selective than your local pick and pull: startups, medicine, consulting, banking or trading. close the borders and this country will get stupid, faster....
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Disagree... They were not really legal...they should have never been here... Hmmmm... Why were 3 of them trained at us military bases?... Hmmm... Trust me they shouldn't have been legal... Look into it.



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1. illegal students are ok?..so I enroll at local community college and Im good to go?.......hmmm, who were the culprits from 9/11?...hmmm...yeah students are the safest group to keep over here.

2. so if I care for a legal uncle for a few minutes a day?


Hmm...ok, the best way to keep people in line is to keep people dependent and uninformed right?...minorities make up quite abit of the welfare class no?...so more people on welfare, more control...more welfare, less reading and a less informative group....no prob, we have plenty of money, we will take all comers...Fed's electric bill gonna be high this yr.

Hmm, where have I heard this playbook before...
You do realize that the attackers were issued student and tourist visas, right? They didn't illegally enter the US. So your first point is moot.
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The hilarity of it all is that while the Mexican government wastes no time in haranguing the U.S. on our immigration laws, lack of amnesty and the recently passed Arizona laws but never-mind the fact that Mexico has laws that are tougher than anything we have here - particularly focused against Central American migration.

Highlights:

1. 12 years in prison for sheltering/transporting an illegal immigrant.

2. Authorities can demand to see your papers at any time. And yes they racially profile.

3. Illegal immigration is a felony, punishable for up to 2 years in prison. If deported and attempt to reenter, imprisonment can be up to 10 years.

4. Foreigners can be deported at any time if determined "detrimental to economic or national interests".

Sounds pretty tough aye? Top that with rampant corruption, bribery and almost 10k immigrants kidnapped from 2008-2009 for ransom - Mexico sure has no leg to stand on about Mexican illegal-immigrants in the U.S.

Oh and the Mexican government allows charities to set up care zones/shelters for Mexicans attempting to make the trip north on the way to the U.S. Some balls huh?
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The hilarity of it all is that while the Mexican government wastes no time in haranguing the U.S. on our immigration laws, lack of amnesty and the recently passed Arizona laws but never-mind the fact that Mexico has laws that are tougher than anything we have here - particularly focused against Central American migration.

Highlights:

1. 12 years in prison for sheltering/transporting an illegal immigrant.

2. Authorities can demand to see your papers at any time. And yes they racially profile.

3. Illegal immigration is a felony, punishable for up to 2 years in prison. If deported and attempt to reenter, imprisonment can be up to 10 years.

4. Foreigners can be deported at any time if determined "detrimental to economic or national interests".

Sounds pretty tough aye? Top that with rampant corruption, bribery and almost 10k immigrants kidnapped from 2008-2009 for ransom - Mexico sure has no leg to stand on about Mexican illegal-immigrants in the U.S.

Oh and the Mexican government allows charities to set up care zones/shelters for Mexicans attempting to make the trip north on the way to the U.S. Some balls huh?



Good Luck if you need emergency care there, I believe you have to pay upfront before being treated and you won't be released until bill is paid in full.
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This program doesn't give these people citizenship. They won't be able to vote in 2012.
If they are in this country ACORN and its remnants will find a way to endues they get registered to vote. It already happens now.
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I can't wait for this to force the issue of migrant worker reform, and taking these people and putting them into 100% lawful migrant worker programs where they can be id's and registered with the government, and have their work tracked above the table like the rest of us. And with the money saved not trying to hunt them down we can actually deal with securing the border.
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They should focus on both. Choice number two is the same as saying we should open up our borders and let whomever wants to come here to come freely, this includes illegally.
We have been told that Obama and walk and chew gum at the same time on several occasions so doing both (enforcing all our laws) should be a cake walk for our brilliant Harvard educated President.
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We have been told that Obama and walk and chew gum at the same time on several occasions so doing both (enforcing all our laws) should be a cake walk for our brilliant Harvard educated President.
Thanks for joining the forum, we've been looking for a sarcastic Obama hater to replace the ones who've been banned.

In regurgitating this comment, you seem to have overlooked that the issue is funding, not Obama's abilities. Matter of fact, there really isn't ever any policy decision that hinges on the intelligence or multitasking capabilities of the president, but I'm guessing you know that, and are just looking for any opportunity to blame Obama.
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Thanks for joining the forum, we've been looking for a sarcastic Obama hater to replace the ones who've been banned.

In regurgitating this comment, you seem to have overlooked that the issue is funding, not Obama's abilities. Matter of fact, there really isn't ever any policy decision that hinges on the intelligence or multitasking capabilities of the president, but I'm guessing you know that, and are just looking for any opportunity to blame Obama.
Lack of funding hasn't stopped him from doing everything else on his socialist nanny state agenda and when it comes to blaming others neither I nor anyone else holds a candle to Obama's ability to blame others. I was not a Bush fan (as I don't want big government from the left or right) I just get sick of hearing him blame everyone else as if he just arrived on the scene of a massive accident he had nothing to do with. His policies have everything to do with the direction this country is heading. Government is not the solution. Government is standing in the easy of the solution.

I am no Hater but you are right my humor is very sarcastic. I love this country and hate to see where its being taken
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Lack of funding hasn't stopped him from doing everything else on his socialist nanny state agenda and when it comes to blaming others neither I nor anyone else holds a candle to Obama's ability to blame others. I was not a Bush fan (as I don't want big government from the left or right) I just get sick of hearing him blame everyone else as if he just arrived on the scene of a massive accident he had nothing to do with. His policies have everything to do with the direction this country is heading. Government is not the solution. Government is standing in the easy of the solution.

I am no Hater but you are right my humor is very sarcastic. I love this country and hate to see where its being taken
Normally, the use of "socialist nanny state agenda" would raise the big red flag that you're one of those uninformed haters, but since you're new, I'd like to hear what you've concocted in your mind about what you think Obama has done, and what "direction" you think he's taking things.

I'll even give you a head start:
It's not taxes, because other than the federal tobacco tax (raised in about every state as well), he hasn't raised a single tax, rather he's lowered them.

It's not healthcare reform, as there's no added gov't-run services, and requiring that people stop freeloading and pay into their health insurance is the opposite of socialist, plus it's been implemented already in Massachusetts by the repub who wants to be prez.

So what exactly is socialist? I'd argue that you don't love this country, because here we are on a BMW forum, and you're trying to pull one over on your fellow citizens. That sure sounds like treason to me.
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