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      08-25-2011, 01:29 PM   #23
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+1 on the M3 steering feel. In normal it feels too light and boosted, in M mode, it feels too heavy - almost artificially weighted.

The M3 overall is very soft and cushy, not very involving to drive if you are used to fast nimble cars.

I drove the 911 Carrera S. I like the power of the 911 but the Cayman S feels much more balanced and tossable. The Porsches also have great steering feel which is lacking in the M3.
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M3 or Cayman. Vette is fast but not the overall great package the other 2 are.
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Stingray, I do agree... as a performance option, Vette's are really amazing. If Chevy can ever get the interior and seats up to M3/Porsche levels then a Vette would absolutely be VERY high on my list of cars. For me, I can't get past the crappy seats and horrible (to me) dash as I have to live in that environment everyday regardless of how much the car would kick my M3's ass on the track
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Yellow corvettes scream I have a small penis.
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Yellow corvettes scream I have a small penis.
So you have an M3 and a C2S and you wanna talk about penis size?
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      08-25-2011, 10:31 PM   #28
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So you have an M3 and a C2S and you wanna talk about penis size?

I buy my cars in subtle colors and I buy them because I enjoy driving them, not at all to show off.
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      08-26-2011, 09:41 AM   #29
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I have owned a 997S, a 996 GT3, Cayman S, C5 and C6 ZO6, and a E92 M3, with street and track experience in all. The GT3 was the most fun, and the most challenging to drive well. The 997 GT3 is a better street car, but thatís getting pricey. Some of your communication criteria might leave the ZO6 a little short, but it is one heck of a car, and, driven well, the fastest of the bunch. Porsche quality is good, but not commensurate with the cost, especially new. Fun on public roads at legal speedsÖ..think maybe thatís an oxymoron, but, assuming average driving ability, my guess would be the Cayman S.
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      08-26-2011, 10:01 AM   #30
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I have owned a 997S, a 996 GT3, Cayman S, C5 and C6 ZO6, and a E92 M3, with street and track experience in all. The GT3 was the most fun, and the most challenging to drive well. The 997 GT3 is a better street car, but thatís getting pricey. Some of your communication criteria might leave the ZO6 a little short, but it is one heck of a car, and, driven well, the fastest of the bunch. Porsche quality is good, but not commensurate with the cost, especially new. Fun on public roads at legal speedsÖ..think maybe thatís an oxymoron, but, assuming average driving ability, my guess would be the Cayman S.
Nice accurate post. I agree with everything above. For what the OP is after, the CaymanS would be the ideal car.
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      08-26-2011, 11:24 AM   #31
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Yeah, but comments regarding dick sizes in regards to what color car you have is just plain laughable... who the f@ck are you to judge? It was a pretty unnecessary post.
Lighten up
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I think you'll have to drive them all and decide on yourself and get ideas from previous owners. But we all have different tastes and criteria.

I think the most fun will be the GT3 or Cayman, GT3 too harsh for the road.

Best performer ZO6

but best all around for carrying people, comfort, all weather conditions, and good performance is the M3.
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      08-30-2011, 03:19 PM   #33
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Dont have much to say about vettes as they will never be a contender for me, but the Cayman S would likely be the ideal car if youre looking for feel, precision and generally want a car that on a back road, really nothing out there will keep up with.
I have driven the Cayman S many times, I'd say a Mitsubishi Evo will spank the Cayman S in both straight line and cornering whether on back roads or track days. Trick triple differentials with S-AYC, pin point steering and butt hugging Recaro seats really makes the car stand out and drive like no other AWD car. Throw in 4 door passenger space and a trunk and it is pretty utilitarian too. Of course it is a rather punishing ride in every day driving.

But along the lines that the OP is looking for, I'd suggest the Cayman S too.
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I think you'll have to drive them all and decide on yourself and get ideas from previous owners. But we all have different tastes and criteria.

I think the most fun will be the GT3 or Cayman, GT3 too harsh for the road.

Best performer ZO6

but best all around for carrying people, comfort, all weather conditions, and good performance is the M3.
gt3 too harsh for the road
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      08-30-2011, 05:27 PM   #35
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I never had any evo keep up with me on any back road, at the track or in a straight (and that was in my 2006 Cayman S, newer ones are much faster in all respects). Not a stock one at least.

And here, confirmation of that.

http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/p...tion_x_se.html

Evo got spanked by 5 seconds at VIR and is significantly slower in a straight.
Not many cars can corner like a Cayman can and an Evo certainly cannot or else it wouldnt have be giving up 5 seconds to the Cayman S on a relatively 'fast' track.
In my experience, I have yet to have any Cayman S keep up to me on the track in either a straight or cornering. I will say my car was not stock. But it has mods that you can count on one hand and cost less than $3000 total. RE11 tires, HKS coilovers and a reflash is all that is necessary for 380hp and some very fast cornering speeds. 10 years of track experience also helps a bit.

The Evo really shows its strength when modified. But even the stock car is really fast. In this review, it killed the 911 Carrera, Lotus Elise SC on the mountain roads.

http://www.insideline.com/nissan/gt-...the-world.html

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As it sits, it flat spanked the $85,000 Porsche and walked all over the little Lotus.

With its stability control switched off and its Super Active Yaw Control precisely directing drive to the appropriate contact patch, the Evo found itself 2nd only to the GT-R in the fastest segment on the mountain road. Its peak speed through this section of road was 1.5 mph faster than the R8. There's more confidence here through fast transitions than in any other car.
Jeremy Clarkson praises the Evo on backroads again. Saying an F430 can not shake it. He goes so far as to BUY an Evo because he liked it so much.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/dri...cle3812271.ece

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Then there’s the speed. Yes, a Ferrari 430 is full of brio and passion but get an Evo X on your tail and I guarantee that, unless it’s being driven by a complete spanner, you will not be able to shake it off.
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It’ll serve as a constant reminder of what cars can, and should, be like.
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Verdict: Eye-wateringly brilliant
Once you modify it with some bolt-ons, then everything goes out the window. GT-Rs are fair game.

http://www.insideline.com/mitsubishi...mprobable.html

In the C&D Lightning lap, it is within 1 second of the Cayman S, hardly a big difference on a huge 3 minute course at VIR.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...to_2011_page_8


But then we are kinda going OT here...

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There was actually a Road and Track print article back in 2006 that compares the Evo and Cayman S directly.

Here's a video:
http://mfile.akamai.com/26193/wmv/ha..._cayman_hi.asx
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Yeah, you've been driving it wrong.
Ha! Last weekend was wicked!!!

I know you know this, but it is not that a gt3 is too harsh at all, it is that most everything else is too soft, lol. I was thinking the other day that maybe I need Motons to stiffen up the front end in those > 1G corners. Just kidding!
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I used to own a used '05 997.1 S 6MT. Now have a '11 E90 M3 6MT.

Porsche: Pros: more nimble, responsive and fun to drive. Felt faster. Beautiful design and shape.
Cons: Ride was too stiff, need a comfort mode in PASM. Brake pedal too high for heel-toeing.

BMW: Pros: superb engine, more comfortable daily driver and family car. More practical.
Cons: not as pretty as the P car. Drinks more gas.

That about sums it up, from my experience. Could elaborate more, but both are superb driver's cars. And I do miss the Porsche.
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I don't think a CLK63BS is a very good all around car.
It's confused as to what it's suppose to be.
Is it a sports car? If so, why the crappy transmission and GT car weight?
Is it a GT car? If so, why are there no back seats, why does it come with R compound tires, and why does it have such a harsh ride?
If you read my post I said all around FUN car.
AMG developed this car to be driven on the track, its honestly overbuilt for the street (why else would it come with no back seats, R compounds, etc?)
Though its not the fastest thing around the track, its still built with precision in mind.
Its definitely a fun car.
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So....I'm starting to investigate 996 Turbos. It's really (really) hard for me to get over the older style headlights, but I'm afraid I'd be a bit of a poser if I chose the round headlights over the GT1 dry-sump engine of the 996 Turbo.

The 996 GT3 is also appealing to me but it is hard to overlook the tuning potential of the Turbo.
Get an '07-'09 997 Turbo and you can have both the round headlights and Mezger engine.
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So....I'm starting to investigate 996 Turbos. It's really (really) hard for me to get over the older style headlights, but I'm afraid I'd be a bit of a poser if I chose the round headlights over the GT1 dry-sump engine of the 996 Turbo.

The 996 GT3 is also appealing to me but it is hard to overlook the tuning potential of the Turbo.
Like Cabinetman posted above, the 997 turbo (.1 only, .2 2010's have the 9A1) has the same GT1, Mezger engine as the 996 turbos. Actually, the 997 version is even better.

As far as posing goes, that's non-sense. As much as I love the Mezger (have a .2 GT3) the 9A1 is also a marvel. Less weight ~13 lbs, iircc, less parasitic power loss due to less moving parts, while still retaining an integrated dry sump. Some people get all goofy when someone mentions "integrated". A dry sump is a dry sump, no matter where the sump is located. . As good as the Mezger is, it is an old, heavy design. It may go down as a desirable engine as years pass, but that doesn't mean that the newer tech isn't better. So far the 9A1 has proven very strong. We'll see once Porsche starts racing it. The 991 GT3/RSs will their engines based on the 9A1.

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I can tell you for those not used to 500+ hp rwd vehicles, the z06 vette will be the most hair raising experience you will have, driving it at full throttle. White knuckle driving with the biggest smile on your face. The c63 amg gives the same feeling. Very raw driving experience. DD'ing the z06 is as comfortable as my e92 m3 coupe.
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Like Cabinetman posted above, the 997 turbo (.1 only, .2 2010's have the 9A1) has the same GT1, Mezger engine as the 996 turbos. Actually, the 997 version is even better.

As far as posing goes, that's non-sense. As much as I love the Mezger (have a .2 GT3) the 9A1 is also a marvel. Less weight ~13 lbs, iircc, less parasitic power loss due to less moving parts, while still retaining an integrated dry sump. Some people get all goofy when someone mentions "integrated". A dry sump is a dry sump, no matter where the sump is located. . As good as the Mezger is, it is an old, heavy design. It may go down as a desirable engine as years pass, but that doesn't mean that the newer tech isn't better. So far the 9A1 has proven very strong. We'll see once Porsche starts racing it. The 991 GT3/RSs will their engines based on the 9A1.
I would like to share my experience as well if I may...
Having owned for about 7 years all kind of M powered cars and then changing for the next 5 years to Porsche 996tt and 997tt and only a couple of days ago jumping back to the seat of a 2010 E92 M3 I think I can shed some light here...
Although this is a BMW forum and despite the fact that was a hardcore M fan (having used my cars in all kind of motorsport fun from drag and steetracing to time attacks and multiple drift contests) I must admit that "there is no substitute for Porsche"...
Ofcourse having said that I do realize that esp 996tt and 997tt are not a direct comparison with M3's as they are supercars...
Quality and luxury is extraordinary and power and handling just can not be even comprehended... esp when tuned... NOTHING and I do mean NOTHING else less than a more tuned 99tt could even come close and I ended up racing streetbikes in order to have some fun...
The experience you get from dirving such a car is priceless and can not be described accurately enough I am afraid...
On the downside I did not use these cars as DD (although I do see how one can do it as they are fairly economical cars for what they offer and ultra strong and reliable) and I did miss RWD an awful lot these past 5 years. Now add here that the car was starting to lose it's value extremely fast in our problematic economy over here and it was becoming a very very expensive weekend toy (all things considered) and I replaced it with a less show-off, more usable, but still clean and reliable do-it-all all time favourite car, the M3, which I assure you (having owned every single M car in the past), is by the far the best of all....
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I can tell you for those not used to 500+ hp rwd vehicles, the z06 vette will be the most hair raising experience you will have, driving it at full throttle. White knuckle driving with the biggest smile on your face. The c63 amg gives the same feeling. Very raw driving experience. DD'ing the z06 is as comfortable as my e92 m3 coupe.
My experience and feelings are the complete opposite. I've owned three C6 versioned Vettes including an '07 Z06 and most recently an '11 Grand Sport. I found the Grand Sport to be better than the Z06 from a comfort standpoint with being a more "streetable" car. Obviously the GS was inferior in pure outright performance. While all of the C6's were a good bit more comfortable from a DD standpoint than the CaymanS and 997S and marginally more comfortable than the 996TT, there is no way that any of them is as comfortable as my current E92M3....nor is any of them as practical.

Don't take my comments as saying that one car is better than the others I have mentioned. I'm merely commenting on their comfort from a DD standpoint.
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