Dct vs 6mt m3 - Page 2

gthal · 08-25-2011, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by F1 fan

I wasn't looking for a perfect answer. I was just curious if anyone has gone from one to the other and what their experience was. When I watch videos on you tube I am just amazed at how quick the dct shifts. I almost wish it wasn't able to be a automatic at all and you had to shift manually all of the time. That way you couldn't get lazy and put in drive an go.

I owned a 6MT M3 and went to a DCT M3.

Loved the 6MT.

Love the DCT.

My DCT has never once been in D mode. I treat the car as though it is a clutch pedal manual. It is a lot of fun and, to me, more fun than the 6MT because... (1) the car is noticeably faster without any delay on acceleration, (2) I can drive the car faster into corners and the car will always heel-toe perfectly for me, (3) the gearing of the DCT makes the car feel like it has more torque to me, (4) the rev matched downshifts are awesome and I never get tired of them, (5) the car feels and acts like a 6MT minus the clutch pedal.

The 6MT was more "involving" and when I heel toed on my own, it was fun. This is the first non 6MT I have owned in 23 years of driving and I will now always own a DCT or equivalent. It isn't because I'm lazy or getting old, it's because I find the car is more fun with this transmission (my opinion only), faster, easier to drive hard and fast (i.e. I focus on driving the car and I know the car will get the shift perfectly when, and only when, I tell it to) and I don't need a false ego boost from a clutch pedal because I was already a fairly good 6MT driver and don't need to prove that to myself or anyone else any longer.

I miss my 6MT 5% of the time and really love and appreciate the DCT the other 95%.

The only downside is that I find I am much harder on the car at the track (brakes and tires) because I carry more speed into corners because I can brake and shift later in the straights. Another DCT driver that spends time at the local track has the same issue. In my opinion, the only people that can drive a 6MT as hard and deep into a corner and then nail a heel toe downshift to get through the corner as well as a DCT car can on a consistent basis are semi pro drivers/instructors. The rest of us, even good 6MT drivers, are a distant second.

Having said all of that... I still love and respect the 6MT and for many it is the better transmission for a variety of other reasons.

dcstep · 08-25-2011, 04:06 PM

Nice, balanced report.

I own the 6MT, but I've driven the DCT at the PC and Virginia International Raceway. I autocross my 6MT and the 2d gear gearing, combined with my 4.10 final drive, is the primary reason that I chose the 6MT. For track and most street driving the DCT is superior in performance and about as involving for those that drive as you describe.

Dave

gthal · 08-25-2011, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dcstep

Nice, balanced report.

I own the 6MT, but I've driven the DCT at the PC and Virginia International Raceway. I autocross my 6MT and the 2d gear gearing, combined with my 4.10 final drive, is the primary reason that I chose the 6MT. For track and most street driving the DCT is superior in performance and about as involving for those that drive as you describe.

Dave

Both are great options and we get to pick whichever we like better it is a great thing IMO.

I find there are so many biases in opinions (DCT owners feeling the need to defend their transmission from ridicule by 6MT owners and 6MT owners basing the size of their e-peen on a clutch pedal) that it makes it hard, if not impossible, to have a decent discussion on the matter. Glad there are 6MT guys out there like you that are smart and unbiased enough to be able to appreciate both trannies.

James T. Kirk · 08-25-2011, 04:51 PM

Funny, though. I'm considering dropping my DCT to go to 6MT because I find it a bit un-involving during my daily driving. And no... it's never on D.

rick berry · 08-25-2011, 04:59 PM

I hear the the 2 speed powerglide is a good option.Simple, reliable, old.

gthal · 08-25-2011, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by James T. Kirk

Funny, though. I'm considering dropping my DCT to go to 6MT because I find it a bit un-involving during my daily driving. And no... it's never on D.

I think you are just getting bored period

First you were looking to change to a 1M, now maybe a 6MT... I just think you are looking for a change and bored. I know the feeling as I get that way with cars too.

P.S. I bet you a $100 that you would feel the same (i.e. wishing for DCT) if you had a 6MT for a year. We always want what we don't have and we always eventually get bored of what we do have.

P.P.S. If you find an M3 uninvolving on your DD, 6MT or DCT, you aren't driving it hard enough

Every day that I drive it to work, I drive it like I'm prepping for the track (in a safe, law abiding way)

SCCAForums.com · 08-25-2011, 06:27 PM

DCT FTW

End of Story, Close the thread.

Dave

gblansten · 08-25-2011, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by lenzm3edan

6spd for real drivers, DCT for chumps.

Totally agree. I'm a chump and the DCT is a natural fit.

Anymore of that popcorn left guys?

haze gray · 08-25-2011, 09:36 PM

I have a DCT, have driven MT's a ton (but not M's). I tried the "auto" D-mode at first but hated it. Almost always stick shift mine, never got comfortable with the paddles. Really do enjoy the rev-matching sounds. Go with the above posts, find what you like and buy it. I would buy another DCT.

captainaudio · 08-25-2011, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by lenzm3edan

6spd for real drivers, DCT for chumps.

The level of a drivers insistance on the superiority of manual tranmissions tends to be inverserly proportional to their ability to drive one properly.

CA

gthal · 08-26-2011, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by lenzm3edan

6spd for real drivers, DCT for chumps.

You are so cool and manly because you drive a 6MT. I was cool too but then went to a DCT and suddenly morphed into a chump. I can tell by your post that you are a "real" driver for sure

James T. Kirk · 08-26-2011, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by gthal

I think you are just getting bored period

First you were looking to change to a 1M, now maybe a 6MT... I just think you are looking for a change and bored.

Firstly, getting a 1M means getting a 6MT. The change is one in the same. I'm not talking about going to a 6MT M3.

The common understanding is that the DCT performs better on the track. Ferrari's have them as standard now in their designs. The technology is superior for fast shifting.

HOWEVER... I find the daily driving experience a little lacking in involvement for me. As I don't really track, my interest is to just have fun driving my car the way I utilize it on a daily basis. I miss that experience.

Erhan · 08-26-2011, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by captainaudio

The level of a drivers insistance on the superiority of manual tranmissions tends to be inverserly proportional to their ability to drive one properly.

CA

This is your signature post in any thread involving MT vs DCT. I agree with your statement as well.

Team Plutonium · 08-26-2011, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by captainaudio

The level of a drivers insistance on the superiority of manual tranmissions tends to be inverserly proportional to their ability to drive one properly.

CA

Love it!

Totti · 08-26-2011, 01:27 PM

I like to think the shifter is directly proportional to the size of any given M3 drivers manhood. 6MT drivers tend to have proportionate, long and versatile manhood - whereas DCT drivers tend to have slender, slanted and smaller manhoods with less movement.

lenzm3edan · 08-26-2011, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by gthal

You are so cool and manly because you drive a 6MT. I was cool too but then went to a DCT and suddenly morphed into a chump. I can tell by your post that you are a "real" driver for sure

Guys chill out it was meant as a joke. I know that the DCT is an excellent choice and will be faster than the 6spd, It's like me calling a GTR slow because it does not have a manual trans, IT WAS A JOKE

. I figured we have enough of these DCT vs 6spd and 335 vs M3 threads, maybe I should not have added to it but at the end of the day we are all car enthusiast, DCT or 6spd.

Team Plutonium · 08-26-2011, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Totti

I like to think the shifter is directly proportional to the size of any given M3 drivers manhood. 6MT drivers tend to have proportionate, long and versatile manhood - whereas DCT drivers tend to have slender, slanted and smaller manhoods with less movement.

... and they are too quick.

gthal · 08-26-2011, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Totti

I like to think the shifter is directly proportional to the size of any given M3 drivers manhood. 6MT drivers tend to have proportionate, long and versatile manhood - whereas DCT drivers tend to have slender, slanted and smaller manhoods with less movement.

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Originally Posted by SehrSchnell

... and they are too quick.

Erhan · 08-26-2011, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SehrSchnell

... and they are too quick.

... and it doesn't "move" without launch control.

Totti · 08-26-2011, 07:05 PM

Do you suffer from premature launch control? Can you not get it up there without over rev? We can help. Call us now.

gthal · 08-26-2011, 07:11 PM

I suffered from premature launch control but I out grew it when I was around 19. I just played enough with my shifter until I figured it out

1MOREMOD · 08-26-2011, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by gthal

We always want what we don't have and we always eventually get bored of what we do have.

i hate this part of life and it applies to everything. even knowing it happens cant prevent it from occuring. things you love to do become a chore as soon as its your job and you have to do it.

08-25-2011, 04:06 PM	#24
dcstep Brigadier General Drives: '09 Cpe Silverstone FR 6MT Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,935 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2009 M3 [4.00]	Nice, balanced report. I own the 6MT, but I've driven the DCT at the PC and Virginia International Raceway. I autocross my 6MT and the 2d gear gearing, combined with my 4.10 final drive, is the primary reason that I chose the 6MT. For track and most street driving the DCT is superior in performance and about as involving for those that drive as you describe. Dave __________________ Flickr Photos Ucm, Inc.

08-25-2011, 04:51 PM	#26
James T. Kirk Captain of the Enterprise Drives: 2011 1 Series M Coupe Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Alpha Quadrant, Sector 001 Posts: 1,407 iTrader: (0)	Funny, though. I'm considering dropping my DCT to go to 6MT because I find it a bit un-involving during my daily driving. And no... it's never on D. __________________ 2011 1 Series M Coupe VO M3 vs 1M Comparo Review 2011 M3 E90 DCT ZCP (sold) * 2010 335i Sedan (sold) 2005 M3 Convertible (sold) * 2003 325i Sedan (sold)

08-25-2011, 06:27 PM	#29
SCCAForums.com Captain Drives: Race Cars Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Chandler, AZ Posts: 707 iTrader: (2)	DCT FTW End of Story, Close the thread. Dave __________________ 2010 ZR1 3ZR Wht/Blk 10.7 @ 132 2011 C63 AMG P31 Car Blk/Blk 11.8 @ 117 2010 Nissan GT-R 10.8 @ 129 (Sold) 2008 Lexus IS-F (Sold) 12.5 @ 113 / 2008 Shelby GT500 (Sold) 11.3 @ 126 2008 e90 M3 6MT 12.8 @ 111 (Sold) / 2006 e60 M5 12.4 @ 114 (Sold)

08-26-2011, 07:11 PM	#43
gthal Colonel Drives: C63 coupe Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 2,052 iTrader: (2) Garage List 2011 M3 [3.37]	I suffered from premature launch control but I out grew it when I was around 19. I just played enough with my shifter until I figured it out __________________ 2012 C63 coupe \| Obsidian Black \| Performance Package (481hp, 443ft/lbs) 1996 E36 M3 coupe \| Estoril blue \| Dedicated track car... heavily modded 2011 M3 coupe \| Jerez Black \| ZCP/DCT \| Sold but never forgotten nor will the love affair end 2010 M3 coupe \| Alpine White \| 6MT \| Sold

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08-25-2011, 04:59 PM	#27
rick berry Private First Class Drives: 2012 M3 DCT CP/ 2011 750li H Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: marshall texas Posts: 179 iTrader: (0)	I hear the the 2 speed powerglide is a good option.Simple, reliable, old.

08-25-2011, 09:36 PM	#31
haze gray Second Lieutenant Drives: 2009 M3 Coupe / 2011 X5 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 264 iTrader: (0)	I have a DCT, have driven MT's a ton (but not M's). I tried the "auto" D-mode at first but hated it. Almost always stick shift mine, never got comfortable with the paddles. Really do enjoy the rev-matching sounds. Go with the above posts, find what you like and buy it. I would buy another DCT.