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      08-19-2011, 12:13 PM   #23
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You should check out a project that European Car is making with a 996 TT, they got it for around 35-40K, and with a couple of mods they're thinking of grtting relly high numbers, as for you question, I have own the last 4 M's, the e36 for 3 years, the e46 for 7, and the e92 since 07, nice cars, but I always wanted a Porsche too, so I already made payment to get one of the first 991 Carrera S (the M3 and Carrera S go for 125,000US here), got for the P-car
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      08-19-2011, 12:21 PM   #24
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This guy can drive sideways in an AWD

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      08-19-2011, 12:30 PM   #25
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most are adjusted for you by a computer, so you're at the mercy of what the engineers think is safe and fun for the car, it's rare to find AWD cars that allow driver adjustments, of course I'm aware STi is one of the few that allows for it.
Valid point. I assumed the porsche had such an adjustment. If it does not, then, that would suck. I loved that feature in my STI. It made all the difference in the world in those.

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That's the thing, I can't find a decent Porsche Forum with enough activity in them to get fast and decent feedback
That sucks. I felt the same way about this forum when I joined a month ago. Its SO SLOW compared to the subaru forums I came from. Then again, the higher the priced car, the less forum activity you will probably see. I suggest you drive them both for a good 30 minutes and choose what you like best. Us forum guys are really no help to you on this decision since most of us are Bias to the almighty M3.
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      08-19-2011, 12:34 PM   #26
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This guy can drive sideways in an AWD
Ken can drive. Saddly, he sold out to Ford and left subaru. Those were his best videos. The new one he has out is SO lame. Its all movie effects and less driving.

Those cars he is driving are purpose built drift monsters from vermont sports car (the subaru's). They basically have 400-500WHP. Anyone can make those drift with that much ptw ratio. But he is a good driver! He just sold out on subaru if you ask me.
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      08-19-2011, 12:37 PM   #27
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I didn't know he sold out, was it for his Rally career?
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Ken can drive. Saddly, he sold out to Ford and left subaru. Those were his best videos. The new one he has out is SO lame. Its all movie effects and less driving.

Those cars he is driving are purpose built drift monsters from vermont sports car (the subaru's). They basically have 400-500WHP. Anyone can make those drift with that much ptw ratio. But he is a good driver! He just sold out on subaru if you ask me.
+ they have extremely short gear ratios. that's how he keeps smoking all 4 wheels almost through out the video
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+ they have extremely short gear ratios. that's how he keeps smoking all 4 wheels almost through out the video
And he often initiates using the e-brake...
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I didn't know he sold out, was it for his Rally career?
I think it was for the money! Subaru held back some on funding a year or so ago and he jumped ship to Ford. If you watch the X games, they use to have Subaru everywhere. Not all you see is FORD marketing stuff everywhere. Basically, ford came in with more cash and took over. Yet, subaru still pwns the fords.

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+ they have extremely short gear ratios. that's how he keeps smoking all 4 wheels almost through out the video
That and monster turbo upgrade with anti-lag enabled = wheel spin city!

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And he often initiates using the e-brake...
All drifters use ebrake buddy. that goes for RWD drifters too.
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Clutch kick...
that's for street drifting...

This is how the pro's do things...

http://www.mycarportal.net/wp-conten...s-interior.jpg
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That's the thing, I can't find a decent Porsche Forum with enough activity in them to get fast and decent feedback
What forums have you been looking at? Rennlist gets a lot of traffic, 6speed almost as much.
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that's for street drifting...

This is how the pro's do things...

http://www.mycarportal.net/wp-conten...s-interior.jpg
Yes I know. hydraulic ebrake...

We are talking about street cars correct...

Lets just stop this is getting dumb.
You prefer AWD me RWD...
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Yes I know. hydraulic ebrake...

We are talking about street cars correct...

Lets just stop this is getting dumb.
I thought we were making friends?
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I thought we were making friends?
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Valid point. I assumed the porsche had such an adjustment. If it does not, then, that would suck. I loved that feature in my STI. It made all the difference in the world in those.

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Porsche does not have an adjustable center diff. I believe it's a simple mechanical unit, like a viscous coupler, again, I'm not 100% sure.

To this point, most AWD cars do not allow for user adjustments. and even if it allows it, it generally doesn't allow for power distribution adjustments. The ones I'm aware of are the ones in the STi which allows some type of power distribution adjustment, though I'm not sure how it works or to what extent it works. The system in the EVO 8/9 was to simply delay when the center diff moves the power around the car, so an aggressive sporty setting would delay the movement by a second or two and that would allow the driver to pull off spectacular drift before the center diff distributions the power to the other wheels and corrects the slippage (by locking up the center diff).
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      08-19-2011, 02:43 PM   #38
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Porsche does not have an adjustable center diff. I believe it's a simple mechanical unit, like a viscous coupler, again, I'm not 100% sure.

To this point, most AWD cars do not allow for user adjustments. and even if it allows it, it generally doesn't allow for power distribution adjustments. The ones I'm aware of are the ones in the STi which allows some type of power distribution adjustment, though I'm not sure how it works or to what extent it works. The system in the EVO 8/9 was to simply delay when the center diff moves the power around the car, so an aggressive sporty setting would delay the movement by a second or two and that would allow the driver to pull off spectacular drift before the center diff distributions the power to the other wheels and corrects the slippage (by locking up the center diff).
DCCD explained. Just a means to distribute torque (not power) between the front and rear wheels. Most drivers just leave it in the AUTO setting.

http://driveperformance2.subaru.com/.../blueprint.asp
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DCCD explained. Just a means to distribute torque (not power) between the front and rear wheels. Most drivers just leave it in the AUTO setting.

http://driveperformance2.subaru.com/.../blueprint.asp
That is correct on how it works. Suby guys found "auto" the best for track. For street fun/drifting, we would put it full rear. All it would do is make the rear end tail happy IMO. I would drive full rear every time I got in the car. In auto, it wouldn't slip much.
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      08-19-2011, 04:02 PM   #40
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A 4S is still a sharper more precise tool than the M3 and despite having the penalty of AWD weight, its still lighter than the M3.

The AWD in dry weather puts 100% power to the rear and even when power is applied to the front wheels, you will always have a significant rear wheel bias. 911s are the best feeling/handling AWD cars out there.
The Cayman says otherwise.
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Thanks Man!, I have made up my mind with your kind words.

Would this be a good deal? been eyeing this one.
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...e&rdpage=thumb

Car looks good. If you love it then that's all the matters.

Offer the seller $57k, and he should take it. But dont go higher then $59k. The seller is in a hurry and desperate to sell it, so he should take your offer anything under $59k.


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The Cayman says otherwise.
Except the Cayman is not 4WD, they are talking about the C4/C4S.
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Except the Cayman is not 4WD, they are talking about the C4/C4S.
Thanks. Didn't know AWD was being discussed.
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If you are going with Porsche, I'd strongly suggest a 997 turbo or an '09 or later model year "regular" 997.2(S) (4S).

Why?

Direct injection.

The 997.2 has roughly 40% fewer moving parts.

does NOT have an intermediate shaft, which was a weak point in the 997.1 engines which sometimes led to catrostrophic engine failures.

The 997.2 is a considerably better car.
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