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      08-17-2011, 03:20 PM   #1
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Question 87 Octane

So i'm filling up my tank yesterday, and I see another guy with an M3 also filling up at the pump next to me. I couldnt help but notice he was putting 87 octane in his car (I always use 91). So I asked him why he uses 87. He said that he "used to use 91 and since he switched he cant tell any difference in performance, and it is top tier gas". Im wondering what if any affect the use of lower octane would have on the car long term. I dont intend to switch, no way in hell.
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Whether it's noticeable or not, I would never put less than 91 octane or gas from any station other than Shell or Chevron. That dude sounds like a cheap bastard and his M3 should be revoked.
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91 is too low...
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Or he might have been a stealer technician filling cheap gas for the customer. I have seen it happened before.
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      08-17-2011, 04:03 PM   #5
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It was Chevron. He didnt look cheap. I fact he looked friggin rich! And 91 is the highest we can get in LV.
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      08-17-2011, 04:12 PM   #6
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It was Chevron. He didnt look cheap. I fact he looked friggin rich! And 91 is the highest we can get in LV.
He is cheap, and stupid. What reason other than money would someone ever get 87 over 91 or 93 or 94? Seriously, this is an ///M we are talking about. If someone doesn't like putting high-test, or wide expensive tires or expensive breaks on their car, why on earth did they buy an ///M.....just get a 328, or 335 or 335d (the best) and enjoy those GREAT cars. Again, if you need to go off-roading or haul lumber you don't buy a civic or F430. Different cars, different focuses, different purposes......its not rocket science.
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      08-17-2011, 04:16 PM   #7
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he is cheap and stupid !!! the difference on a full tank is $ 3.00 between 87 and 91...
even if he doesnt see any difference he is still clogging his injectors with LED.

what a moron
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      08-17-2011, 04:18 PM   #8
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he is cheap and stupid !!! the difference on a full tank is $ 3.00 between 87 and 91...
even if he doesnt see any difference he is still clogging his injectors with LED.

what a moron
He should fish them out and make LED angel eyes. That's savings right there.
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I put 91 in my 20 year old camry. I even put 91 back into every loaner car I've ever got. Cheapass he is
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It was Chevron. He didnt look cheap. I fact he looked friggin rich! And 91 is the highest we can get in LV.
BTW, how does somebody look rich? You can never really tell. Those are often the people who are broke because they spend all of their money on trying to look "rich," with nothing left to back it up. No baller is going to be pinching pennies at the pump... (PP@P)
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Octane rating does not relate to the energy content of the fuel. It is only a measure of the fuel's tendency to burn in a controlled manner, rather than exploding in an uncontrolled manner. Where the octane number is raised by blending in ethanol, energy content per volume is reduced.

87 octane has more energy in it than 91.

As long as his engine is not pinging -- no harm done really.

and to the person that mentioned "LED" (sic) --- there hasn't been any lead in pump gas for years and years
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He should fish them out and make LED angel eyes. That's savings right there.
Glad someone else is a smart ass when it comes to spelling and grammar, ha!
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Sounds like a cheap bastard who needs a swift kick in the nuts! My ex's parents used to put 87 in their E46 325i when they first got it. Then they wondered why they kept having so many engine issues... Then their warranty was stripped once the service department tested their gasoline. I used to get so mad at them for it, too. Her dad and I argued quite a bit about it, hahaha.
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HAHA! Next time I see him I will tell him all your opinions. I agree, to save 3 bucks on a tank is just stupid.
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      08-17-2011, 05:36 PM   #15
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He might have detuned his car to run efficiently on 87 oct? J/k.

Since he's rich, gas won't be a factor for him. Anyways, why would someone do that? ///M3's are meant for high performance and should use 91 oct out of the factory, unless it's modified to use race gas, etc. That's another story.
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Wondering what type of mileage he gets on 87. Might be under 10mpg or so for regular driving.

Interesting he called it "top tier gas." So he can't be that in the dark....
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BMW recommends 93 octane with a minimum fuel grade of 91. They further state "Do not use any gasoline below the specified minimum fuel grade. Otherwise the engine could be damaged.".

Implied here - if the engine is damaged due to low grade (i.e.: 87 octane) fuel, repairs under warrenty may not be covered! With the price difference between 87 and 91/93 you'd have to fill up an awful lot to pay for an new engine!
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Using 87 octane cant be any worse than using gas with 10% ethanol. I only put 100% gas in my cars.
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BMW recommends 93 octane with a minimum fuel grade of 91. They further state "Do not use any gasoline below the specified minimum fuel grade. Otherwise the engine could be damaged.".

Implied here - if the engine is damaged due to low grade (i.e.: 87 octane) fuel, repairs under warrenty may not be covered! With the price difference between 87 and 91/93 you'd have to fill up an awful lot to pay for an new engine!
Just curious...to all of you here who live in 91 octane land, do you really think you are getting the full rated power of this engine? My bet is that you are not. 93 or even 94 octane and cold, dry air at sea level is likely needed for a highly tuned, high revving motor such as this to achieve it's stated power output. I don't know for sure on the M3, but this was definitely the case when I had my RS4.
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It was Chevron. He didnt look cheap. I fact he looked friggin rich! And 91 is the highest we can get in LV.
I think you can still get the high octane race gas at some 76 stations
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The car can adjust timing according to octane. So filling up on 87 in an emergency is no big deal if you don't drive the car very hard.

Either way, the higher the octane on this car, the more HP.
I always fill up on 93.


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