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      08-14-2011, 02:17 PM   #23
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Stupid comment. JFK was a true hero and changed the world... Senna was just a great racing driver. Leave it at that.
Any stupidity inferred is purely on your part
I never compared their achievements
I simply stated more people go to his resting place than the other 3 combined
That's a statement of fact
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I don't think we need to disrespect one to praise the other. To say Senna is not a true hero is to say I know nothing about Senna. Try saying that in Brazil and see what kind of reactions you get...

As I said before, Senna was a great man who happened to be a great driver. His work, influence and achievements outside the race tracks were no less impressive than his superhuman driving skills. And boy, could he drive!

JFK is part of America's soul and he did change the course of history and I think he deserves the same respect Brazilians give to Senna.
His response simply shows how little he knows about the world
And how US centric his thinking is
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I don't think we need to disrespect one to praise the other. To say Senna is not a true hero is to say "I know nothing about Senna". Try saying that in Brazil and see what kind of reactions you get...

As I said before, Senna was a great man who happened to be a great driver. His work, influence and achievements outside the race tracks were no less impressive than his superhuman driving skills. And boy, could he drive! I was watching the race live on TV when he crashed and my crying eyes were glued to the TV for the rest of the day. For me and millions os people in my home country, it felt like the country had lost its soul.

JFK is part of America's history and he did change the course of history. I think he deserves the same respect Brazilians give to Senna. If there are more visitors to Senna's grave than to JFK's, it probably only means that Brazil is the largest catholic country in the world and, for catholics, it is important to pay respects to the deceased at their grave yard. I have been to Arlington National Cemetery and payed my respects to JFK. I have never been to Senna's grave in Sao Paulo... Does this have any special meaning? Of course not.
Sorry, but your logic does nothing for me. Yes, Senna was a great driver, a kind person and he had a generous heart, but that doesnt make him a hero to me.

I could make the analogy that more people go to Disneyland every year then Senna's grave. How does that sound, To compare your "hero" to a meaningless place of commercialism? Same deal for me. It's fucking pathetic to compare in any manor, a person who got paid millions of dollars to drive a car, to a man who lead the free world, fought communism, and fended off a nuclear holocaust.

BTW, I'm a Senna fan, and I named my dog Senna

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Yes, Senna was a great driver, a kind person and he had a generous heart, but that doesnt make him a hero to me.
My apologies if I sounded like comparing JFK to Senna. I tried to make the point that they were both outstanding individuals...

Senna may not be a hero to you, but he is to more than 190.000.000 Brazilians. I am into respecting cultural differences so I will refrain from making any negative comments on the way some Americans view the world beyond their borders.
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uh.....it was a joke. guess it was a bad joke..or no one got it?


Based on this guy.. and where he lives.. haha..ha....ha.......
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OK sorry. No offense intended. I have mad respect for him.
I got it and it was funny. People need to chill and get a sense of humor. Anyone know if it's in Chicago?
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The Blue-Ray release is what I'll have to purchase, but a theater does seem to be a most appropriate venue to view the movie-documentary.


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uh.....it was a joke. guess it was a bad joke..or no one got it?
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OK sorry. No offense intended. I have mad respect for him.
Obviously you haven't learned that jokes about the dead/deceased are off limits to decent human beings.

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Stupid comment. JFK was a true hero and changed the world... Senna was just a great racing driver. Leave it at that.
Provincialism is strong in this thread.

If you think for a minute that Senna didn't change the world, you're mistaken. He blew past the earthling label of "hero" to ascend to demi-god status among millions if not billions; especially so where the Japanese and Brazilians are concerned. JFK never enjoyed such respect and adulation from about the globe. However, try this on for size: IF there had been a Twitter network in the early 90's, I cannot imagine anyone in sports, politics or entertainment of that era being able to pull in a greater following than the man who you say "was just a great racing driver."



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Any stupidity inferred is purely on your part
I never compared their achievementsI simply stated more people go to his resting place than the other 3 combined
That's a statement of fact
But you could have on the basis of inspiring, raising the spirits of individuals about the globe. What part of JFK's legacy today cares for the orphans, disowned, impoverished? Such is precisely what the Senna Foundation is doing. It's to the man's credit that during his life he did not want word of his charities to become known. People that thought they knew him as the single-minded, ambitious driver were stunned to learn after his death that he had been knee deep in extensive charity work for many years. Just a driver my ass.


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My apologies if I sounded like comparing JFK to Senna. I tried to make the point that they were both outstanding individuals...

Senna may not be a hero to you, but he is to more than 190.000.000 Brazilians. I am into respecting cultural differences so I will refrain from making any negative comments on the way some Americans view the world beyond their borders.
Fair enough, meu amigo, but I am an American, born in the USA, and I have traveled a bit, even lived in Brazil and have no such reservations although I would know my manners if in Brazil.

I've met many a compatriot that cannot wrap his arms around the idea that sports in America -- baseball, football and basketball -- have been eating the dust of soccer and F1 where the number of fans/followers of sports is the subject. As much as I like football, I realize that it is a tier two sport when juxtaposed to soccer or F1. We're talking about billions that follow the #1 and #2 sports as opposed to millions that follow everything else.
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... to a man who lead the free world, fought communism, and fended off a nuclear holocaust.
US-centric thinking at it's worst. You know, if I had sat down to write the worst possible reply to my post, to prove my point, I couldnt have done a better job than this

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Obviously you haven't learned that jokes about the dead/deceased are off limits to decent human beings.
So I guess you never made a joke about Osama Bin Laden?
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I think the Ohio comment was meant as a joke... Obviously tasteless and not funny, but a joke nonetheless.

I don't think this thread was meant to be a JFK vs Senna debate. Can we get back on topic and talk about the documentary? I can't wait to see it...
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So I guess you never made a joke about Osama Bin Laden?
Not so much as one. My only comment about his demise was and is "good riddance".
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My apologies if I sounded like comparing JFK to Senna. I tried to make the point that they were both outstanding individuals...

Senna may not be a hero to you, but he is to more than 190.000.000 Brazilians. I am into respecting cultural differences so I will refrain from making any negative comments on the way some Americans view the world beyond their borders.
let's just agree to disagree. it's a great movie either way.

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Provincialism is strong in this thread.

If you think for a minute that Senna didn't change the world, you're mistaken. He blew past the earthling label of "hero" to ascend to demi-god status among millions if not billions; especially so where the Japanese and Brazilians are concerned. JFK never enjoyed such respect and adulation from about the globe. However, try this on for size: IF there had been a Twitter network in the early 90's, I cannot imagine anyone in sports, politics or entertainment of that era being able to pull in a greater following than the man who you say "was just a great racing driver."
so did magic johnson change the world because he donated money to promoted aids research? people put sports stars on too much of a pedestal period. just because a country full of brazilians love him, doesnt change that in my book.

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i could care less what you think. you're not speaking russian, or german because of usa. damn right i'm proud of that. we lead the free world, the end.
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let's just agree to disagree. it's a great movie either way.

so did magic johnson change the world because he donated money to promoted aids research? people put sports stars on too much of a pedestal period. just because a country full of brazilians love him, doesnt change that in my book.

i could care less what you think. you're not speaking russian, or german because of usa. damn right i'm proud of that. we lead the free world, the end.
Just can't figure out when to shut up, huh? It's really sad to know your type is as prevalent as it is.

The point of this thread is selflessness, and the celebration of what is good in life with all it has to offer and display. But you do have something to contribute. I guess your comments are just another pattern in the tapestry of life.
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Just can't figure out when to shut up, huh? It's really sad to know your type is as prevalent as it is.

The point of this thread is selflessness, and the celebration of what is good in life with all it has to offer and display. But you do have something to contribute. I guess your comments are just another pattern in the tapestry of life.
your comment has nothing, and you obviously know im right. because as your can do is fling elementary school comments. so let me educate you and your "type". sports stars are just that, sports stars. its people like YOU that place them on pedestals. i admire their skills, but theyre definitely not my heros. my heros are the ones who lay their lives on the battlefield for the freedoms of ignorant assholes like you. thats selflessness, not giving away millions you probably shouldnt have earned. so when someone compares the two, i get upset. but i digress. the point of this thread is about a movie about a great racing driver who had a kind heart, so why dont you just stfu.
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your comment has nothing, and you obviously know im right. because as your can do is fling elementary school comments. so let me educate you and your "type". sports stars are just that, sports stars. its people like YOU that place them on pedestals. i admire their skills, but theyre definitely not my heros. my heros are the ones who lay their lives on the battlefield for the freedoms of ignorant assholes like you. thats selflessness, not giving away millions you probably shouldnt have earned. so when someone compares the two, i get upset. but i digress. the point of this thread is about a movie about a great racing driver who had a kind heart, so why dont you just stfu.
No need to comment further. You've made my point. You know nothing of selflessness or war. Keep waving that flag.

I don't watch or follow sports. But I can't stand morons that think the USA saved the world from everyone that isn't American. Here's a little tidbit of information for you; History is written by the winners, not the people who were righteous. I have plenty of friends and relatives that make their living supporting the status quo and convincing simple minded dolts that the American way is the right way. How do you like being a lemming?
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all you had to do to prevent all this was, to succesfully navigate the Tamburello corner.
and all this would never have happened
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Just saw the documentary yesterday. Very touching with amazing footage! It is a must see.
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Saw this movie today. This is a great movie with amazing footage, including from inside Senna's car. Even wives and girlfriends should enjoy it, given the human interest angle of the documentary.
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Saw this movie today. This is a great movie with amazing footage, including from inside Senna's car. Even wives and girlfriends should enjoy it, given the human interest angle of the documentary.
I agree, it was a great piece of film. Loved it. Saw it last weekend. I'll probably get the DVD as well. My wife would've been bored to tears though.
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