2011 E90 M3 vs 2012 CLS63 AMG

[AngelinIsRich08]

KK is obviously a BMW fanboy. I'm a car enthusiast and appreciate all cars. The CLS is very capable car that would probably beat an M3 on a track. The thing corners very well at speeds and is super planted. It also isn't as nuts as the C63 which will make it get better lap times and in the straight will out-run most any car that isn't classified as exotic. I find the interior of the CLS63 to be worthy of $105k whereas I don't find the M3's finish worthy of $75k. I understand the M3's heritage and its awesome capabilities but I can't not think about the CLS63 as an alternative, especially since I have an X5M which is well worthy of the ///M brand. I have driven both cars pretty extensively now and yesterday pulled the trigger on the CLS63. (I fell even more in love after gunning the car going into the freeway and listening to its beautiful roar.)

[gthal]

Originally Posted by KKM3

Fanboy? Wow, havent heard that one before on this forum. Why not try and come up with some fresh terminology. Sheesh....

Ur either a passenger or a driver. If your a passenger then by all means buy Mercedes and stay away from bmw, especially the m3 and stick to posting threads in mercedes forums about which merc car gets more attention from women and which 22' rims would look better.

Mercedes makes as many or more "driver's cars" as BMW... sorry that you are so blind to that. Again, I also very much prefer BMW, especially the M3, and would not buy a Mercedes at this stage in my life. The difference though is that I can also appreciate that BMW is not the only great car out there... do I think it is the best in its category? Absolutely, which is why I own one. Comments like yours get called out as fanboism because whether you are right or wrong, you are completely blinded by the roundel and making comments that are just silly is the issue. But, let me say it again... I ultimately agree with your love of BMW and think the M3 is the top of its segment by a margin but I can also appreciate the that it isn't the only great option. And, as I said in my last post, no one "deserves" to have or not have a BMW regardless as to how much they "think" they are a true "enthusiast".

[1Sleeper]

Originally Posted by AngelinIsRich08

KK is obviously a BMW fanboy. I'm a car enthusiast and appreciate all cars. The CLS is very capable car that would probably beat an M3 on a track. The thing corners very well at speeds and is super planted. It also isn't as nuts as the C63 which will make it get better lap times and in the straight will out-run most any car that isn't classified as exotic. I find the interior of the CLS63 to be worthy of $105k whereas I don't find the M3's finish worthy of $75k. I understand the M3's heritage and its awesome capabilities but I can't not think about the CLS63 as an alternative, especially since I have an X5M which is well worthy of the ///M brand. I have driven both cars pretty extensively now and yesterday pulled the trigger on the CLS63. (I fell even more in love after gunning the car going into the freeway and listening to its beautiful roar.)

Ok, I like Mercedes as much as the next guy but "beat an M3 on a track"???? Now that's just dopey. I'll leave the X5M thing alone. It's a fast truck that handles well for a truck, but it's a truck. Not sure this is the best way to approach your enthusiasm.

[captainaudio]

Originally Posted by 1Sleeper

Ok, I like Mercedes as much as the next guy but "beat an M3 on a track"???? Now that's just dopey. I'll leave the X5M thing alone. It's a fast truck that handles well for a truck, but it's a truck. Not sure this is the best way to approach your enthusiasm.

Until we see some real world numbers whcih car is faster on a track is a matter of speculation.

And don't underestimate what a truck can do until you have ridden arround a track in a Porsche Cayenne Turbo with a professional driver at the wheel.

CA

[1Sleeper]

Originally Posted by captainaudio

Until we see some real world numbers whcih car is faster on a track is a matter of speculation.

And don't underestimate what a truck can do until you have ridden arround a track in a Porsche Cayenne Turbo with a professional driver at the wheel.

CA

Not really the model that flys the M flag. And let's be honest, I wouldn't underestimate any car/truck with a professional driver at the wheel. I had a Cayenne TT, very fast, but its a truck. Faster and handled better than most cars? Sure but when you think Porsche driving experience do you think Cayenne? I don't.

[captainaudio]

Originally Posted by 1Sleeper

Not really the model that flys the M flag. And let's be honest, I wouldn't underestimate any car/truck with a professional driver at the wheel. I had a Cayenne TT, very fast, but its a truck. Faster and handled better than most cars? Sure but when you think Porsche driving experience do you think Cayenne? I don't.

Still rather impressive performance.

[KKM3]

Originally Posted by gthal

Mercedes makes as many or more "driver's cars" as BMW... sorry that you are so blind to that. Again, I also very much prefer BMW, especially the M3, and would not buy a Mercedes at this stage in my life. The difference though is that I can also appreciate that BMW is not the only great car out there... do I think it is the best in its category? Absolutely, which is why I own one. Comments like yours get called out as fanboism because whether you are right or wrong, you are completely blinded by the roundel and making comments that are just silly is the issue. But, let me say it again... I ultimately agree with your love of BMW and think the M3 is the top of its segment by a margin but I can also appreciate the that it isn't the only great option. And, as I said in my last post, no one "deserves" to have or not have a BMW regardless as to how much they "think" they are a true "enthusiast".

I too appreciate great cars from different manufactures, that's why I bought a PORSCHE. I am not blinded by the 'roundel' as you say. I just happen to think that Mercs are way over rated and many are blinded by how Mercedes look from the outside. I have little respect for Mercedes as a premium car maker They are experts at maximizing profits by cutting corners in the cars they produce. No company is perfect but Bmw and Porsche are at the top of my list. Why settle for an inferior car because it looks better? A true enthusiast would not even consider a Benz. I also admire cars from Audi, Nissan and even chevy. Sorry if my previous posts seemed a little ' fanboyish '(a cute bimmerpost term) i just think poorly of Mercedes and with reason.

[e1000]

Originally Posted by KKM3

I too appreciate great cars from different manufactures, that's why I bought a PORSCHE. I am not blinded by the 'roundel' as you say. I just happen to think that Mercs are way over rated and many are blinded by how Mercedes look from the outside. I have little respect for Mercedes as a premium car maker They are experts at maximizing profits by cutting corners in the cars they produce. No company is perfect but Bmw and Porsche are at the top of my list. Why settle for an inferior car because it looks better? A true enthusiast would not even consider a Benz. I also admire cars from Audi, Nissan and even chevy. Sorry if my previous posts seemed a little ' fanboyish '(a cute bimmerpost term) i just think poorly of Mercedes and with reason.

Respectfully, your thought process is a little misguided. Yes a lot of the Mercedes lineup is made up of large, heavy cars with huge engines that don't perform, however, there are PLENTY of Benzes that go against this as well. Mercedes also holds a motorsport tradition that rivals or exceeds that of any car manufacturer on the planet, and competes very competitively in many forms of racing today, including F1, where, BMW decided to bow out because, quite frankly, they sucked.

[Team Plutonium]

OP: Congrats on the car! To answer your earlier question: Not having LSD in that car doesn't really matter... since you won't be taking it to the track you won't really feel a difference in daily driving.

[Hunter399]

Id take a new cls63 any day over my M3. The pricing of the 550 is closer to the m3 though..

[OwnAge]

^ +1

[-=Hot|Ice=-]

Originally Posted by 1Sleeper

Not really the model that flys the M flag. And let's be honest, I wouldn't underestimate any car/truck with a professional driver at the wheel. I had a Cayenne TT, very fast, but its a truck. Faster and handled better than most cars? Sure but when you think Porsche driving experience do you think Cayenne? I don't.

It's a truck that can pretty much keep up with an M3. The new Cayenne Turbo is very impressive. Shedding 400 pounds really helped.

[Brucewonder]

If I had the money to spare and can only have one car between the 2. I would pick the CLS AMG hands down any day of the year.

[AngelinIsRich08]

Originally Posted by Brucewonder

If I had the money to spare and can only have one car between the 2. I would pick the CLS AMG hands down any day of the year.

Thanks! That's great to hear, I just got the paperwork and sent it back to them with overnight shipping. I would be getting this car Friday but I'm leaving that day for Chicago so I might be looking at monday when I get back or possibly Tuesday. I'm so excited for it though, gonna wait a couple hundred miles before putting it in Sport Plus mode though.

[CCLSVTM3]

I respect Merc's because they are fast cars but I have never liked them.... Just my personal opinion.... I would still take my M3

[wisesoul]

Originally Posted by AngelinIsRich08

Haha. I'm older than 22 good sir but that shouldn't mean I can't afford these cars. Have you heard of entrepreneurs? Yes, I'm one of those people that made web-sites for businesses in high school and college, worked (still help out) for the family business, sold real-estate and made proper investments. Haha, I'm borderline manic trying to always come up with ways to make money. This is why I love America!

Ok I am confused. You are that young with those cars? Not hating, but it is odd to have over 200k worth of cars at 22!! Are you 22? Are those your cars?
http://www.xbimmers.com/forums/showp...2&postcount=22
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showpos...72&postcount=1

That is conflicting info. So are you 22? 17? an Entrepreneur after 7 months of posting that response?

[1Sleeper]

Shhhhh.

[Victorae]

Originally Posted by wisesoul

Ok I am confused. You are that young with those cars? Not hating, but it is odd to have over 200k worth of cars at 22!! Are you 22? Are those your cars?
http://www.xbimmers.com/forums/showp...2&postcount=22
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showpos...72&postcount=1

That is conflicting info. So are you 22? 17? an Entrepreneur after 7 months of posting that response?

Rofl.

[Team Plutonium]

Originally Posted by wisesoul

Ok I am confused. You are that young with those cars? Not hating, but it is odd to have over 200k worth of cars at 22!! Are you 22? Are those your cars?
http://www.xbimmers.com/forums/showp...2&postcount=22
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showpos...72&postcount=1

That is conflicting info. So are you 22? 17? an Entrepreneur after 7 months of posting that response?

In one post he claims his parents bought the X5M, and in the other he claims he bought it... Oh, and 7 months ago he was 17 and now he is older than 22.... He needs to get his stories straight.

[amgthis]

[Cdnrockies]

Originally Posted by bmwmthree

the OP is AngelinIsRich08



LOL at not making a new username after i call you out then making a new account but barely changing your info. lmfaoooooooo

Maybe a new username is in the works after getting called out again.

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=503938

[bobbyd1961]

Originally Posted by arter

The CLS63 AMG is more of a cross with the new M5.

It is very pretty, powerful, and fun. It won't track as well as an M3, but for everything else, it would be great. Definitely my favorite non- vert AMG.

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