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      07-08-2011, 06:46 PM   #23
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PSC's are a good option, but no more grip (just longer lasting in extreme conditions) than the standard Pilots (at least according to comparison tests). They are same $$ as Pirelli Corsa, but older design. You have a point though, they are available in stock sizes...
I would suggest the PSC have MUCH better grip than the PS2s in my experience. I have only driven once at the track with PSC tires and they were WAY better than both the PS2 and PSS in terms of traction IMO.
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235 is too small for the front..
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Looks the same to me. Maybe even wider tread width or very close on the Hoosier.
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I would suggest the PSC have MUCH better grip than the PS2s in my experience. I have only driven once at the track with PSC tires and they were WAY better than both the PS2 and PSS in terms of traction IMO.
Yes, just read through some reviews. If they are heat cycled correctly and inflated properly, they look like a very good track tire- fast, consistent and long lasting. The only issue is feedback at the limit may not be as good as others, but that seems to be inflation and temp related.
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With 19's you have Hoosiers and Cups as the basic choice.
Most of the other choices are not in 19's yet.....
You can also go to Turner and get used slicks......

Of the top two choices, Hoosier's have more stick, but are short lived.
The Cups might be a better 1st R-comp tire choice, and you can drive to the track with them too.

I have 18's and square 275 NT-01's myself.
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With 19's you have Hoosiers and Cups as the basic choice.
Most of the other choices are not in 19's yet.....
You can also go to Turner and get used slicks......

Of the top two choices, Hoosier's have more stick, but are short lived.
The Cups might be a better 1st R-comp tire choice, and you can drive to the track with them too.

I have 18's and square 275 NT-01's myself.
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You are limited with the 220s. Upgrade to a set of ZCP wheels and you can run Toyo R888s in 265/30/19 and 295/30/19s.

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You are limited with the 220s. Upgrade to a set of ZCP wheels and you can run Toyo R888s in 265/30/19 and 295/30/19s.

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For reasons stated above, the 220's are it for track wheels. I'm keeping them for resale, and no more room for other wheels.
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For reasons stated above, the 220's are it for track wheels. I'm keeping them for resale, and no more room for other wheels.
I understand, I figure sell the 220s and use the money towards the 359s..the wider width will give you much more choice. Otherwise just go with the PSCs, really your best option or the AD008s.

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For reasons stated above, the 220's are it for track wheels. I'm keeping them for resale, and no more room for other wheels.
I'm sorry this logic is really f*cked up or maybe we're from different planets:
  1. You bought BBS CH-R's ($)
  2. Track and track weekend cost of $500+ for travel, entry fees, etc. ($$)
  3. You're TRACKING an M3 to the point where your tires overheat, brake pads and gas @ 6mpg ($$$)
  4. Buying *HOOSIERS*, Michelin Cups, or Corsas, the most expensive R tires, in 19" diameter, with staggered fitment which YOU CAN'T ROTATE ($$$$)

....................And you're worried about resale?

You don't think you can pick up a set of OEM 18's or 19's when it's time to sell the car?

No offense at all intended I'm just trying to help and STRUGGLING to understand how running 19" Hoosiers will save you money. If you are driving so fast and so hard that the best street tires won't do, you should probably at least a set of 18s because those hoosiers will last you a couple days max when pushed to the limit.

Last I checked, square 18's don't take up more space than 19's AND you can rotate tires.
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I'm sorry this logic is really f*cked up or maybe we're from different planets:
  1. You bought BBS CH-R's ($)
  2. Track and track weekend cost of $500+ for travel, entry fees, etc. ($$)
  3. You're TRACKING an M3 to the point where your tires overheat, brake pads and gas @ 6mpg ($$$)
  4. Buying *HOOSIERS*, Michelin Cups, or Corsas, the most expensive R tires, in 19" diameter, with staggered fitment which YOU CAN'T ROTATE ($$$$)

....................And you're worried about resale?

You don't think you can pick up a set of OEM 18's or 19's when it's time to sell the car?

No offense at all intended I'm just trying to help and STRUGGLING to understand how running 19" Hoosiers will save you money. If you are driving so fast and so hard that the best street tires won't do, you should probably at least a set of 18s because those hoosiers will last you a couple days max when pushed to the limit.

Last I checked, square 18's don't take up more space than 19's AND you can rotate tires.
I'm leaning now towards the PSC's, not sure that it really is all that much more money, plus more versitile. PSC's probably a premium of about $7-500 for the set, compared with decent track wheels of around $2K. Yes, I can sell the OEM 19's, but then you have the hassle and you need to do it again with the track wheels. It all ends up being a left pocket, right pocket thing with a lot of hassle, when I can just keep the 19's which are a strong, forged, light wheel- granted you can't rotate, etc. but a good wheel. Now, what goes unsaid, this being my first summer tracking this car, who knows what the next summer will bring, so I'm trying to keep this simple, that means using the 19's. It's more about keeping it simple than resale.

Now, as to the expense of a track day- insurance, entry fee, pads, gas and tire wear it is easily a $1000 per day. It is easy to go crazy, but like I said, who knows what the future will bring, maybe this is the wrong approach to upgrade slowly and keep it simple, but dedicated track wheels, followed probably next by upgraded brakes etc., etc should wait until I jump into the deep end with more than three track days a year- which is all I will probably do this year. So the PSC's are a good comprimise for not only the track days, but also maybe an autocross or some fun mountain tours that we do here as well.

For each his own, thanks for input. You may still be proven right in the future!
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I know you are looking for simple, but even if you only do 3 or 4 events per yr, at a minimum, you will want a dedicated set of track/wheels tires, race pads, race brake fluid, extra neg camber. 19s as dedicated track wheels will work but going this route is hardly simple because of the limiting tire choices, and expense associated. You will run the cups which are ok but quite frankly imo are lame compared to cheaper, longer lasting, grippier tires like a NT01... and you can only do these tried and true r comps in 18 sizes. I just picked up a set of apex arc 18 in wheels for my m3 and will run the BFG R1 tire. Stagger for me. Anyway, im going with the bare minimums on my m3 since like you, will only track a few times per yr.

Sell the 19s and pick up the apex wheels (1380 for the set shipped). Get some R1s (1200 for the set) and youre set. Easy resale later on. Do this is now and save in the long run!
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Sell the 19s and pick up the apex wheels (1380 for the set shipped). Get some R1s (1200 for the set) and youre set. Easy resale later on. Do this is now and save in the long run!
And when it's time to sell
Just pick up a used set of 220s that come with PS2 rubber
So you get the resale value, and you don't have to worry about mounting, balancing etc
Keep in mind the apex arc 8s are light and you will be a little faster
I mean if you're spending all this money, surely you want to be fast
Plus the apex arc 8s are in demand and will be an easy sell
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Lot's of opinions, good perspectives all. I will let everyone know what I end up with. Thanks a lot!
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Good luck montoya... btw i just noticed your location as portland. Assue you track at PIR? I love it there, did a bunch of hpde's with my gt3 last yr. planning on going down this month or next for a hpde. Hope to see you around. PIR is awesome
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Good luck montoya... btw i just noticed your location as portland. Assue you track at PIR? I love it there, did a bunch of hpde's with my gt3 last yr. planning on going down this month or next for a hpde. Hope to see you around. PIR is awesome
BMW ACA track day coming up July 25th. Motorsportsreg.com has the details. Love to see your GT3 come out to play!
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BMW ACA track day coming up July 25th. Motorsportsreg.com has the details. Love to see your GT3 come out to play!
i've been debating the july 25 PIR event, saw it out on motorsportreg. debated too long and now it looks to be sold out

i'll likely sign up for the Aug 12 lapping day at PIR with Cascade. its out on motorsportreg as well. hope to see you around!
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i've been debating the july 25 PIR event, saw it out on motorsportreg. debated too long and now it looks to be sold out

i'll likely sign up for the Aug 12 lapping day at PIR with Cascade. its out on motorsportreg as well. hope to see you around!
Damn, same here, probably should jump on the cascade event!
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Lot's of opinions, good perspectives all. I will let everyone know what I end up with. Thanks a lot!
Just for reference
This is the last of Apex Arc8s that were on sale on the forum
They were sold in 1 hour

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=557031

So if you do get them they'll be easy to sell
And just be on the lookout for oem wheels about 3 months befor you sell
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Just for reference
This is the last of Apex Arc8s that were on sale on the forum
They were sold in 1 hour

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=557031

So if you do get them they'll be easy to sell
And just be on the lookout for oem wheels about 3 months befor you sell
Doesn't count, because everyone wants leftovers from Martin D! I mean that guy has more toys than anyone short of Russian Oligarchs! And they all are rarely really "used"!




Just kidding, thanks for the info!
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Doesn't count, because everyone wants leftovers from Martin D! I mean that guy has more toys than anyone short of Russian Oligarchs! And they all are rarely really "used"!




Just kidding, thanks for the info!
Cent really argue with you cuz I bought some wheels from him
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