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Originally Posted by swamp2
Power at the crank? Perhaps to 60 (or so) but not above. The physics says significantly higher losses = you are going to lose and I have never seen any evidence that contradicts this. Show us your "hand".
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No need to show my hand, the evidence is there in these pages.
0 ~ 60mph time:
BMW E92 M3 M-DCT: 4.1s (MT)
BMW E92 M3: 4.1s (R&T)
BMW E90 M3: 4.1s (C&D)
Lexus IS-F: 4.2s (R&T)
BMW E92 M3: 4.3s (C&D)
BMW E92 M3 M-DCT: 4.3s (C&D)
BMW E90 M3: 4.3s(MT)
Audi RS4: 4.3s (R&T)
BMW E92 M3: 4.4s (C&D)
Audi RS4: 4.5s (Autocar)
BMW E92 M3: 4.7s (AutoCar)
0 ~ 100 km/h time:
BMW E92 M3: 4.5s (AUTO-Italian Mag)
BMW E92 M3 M-DCT: 4.6s (Auto Bild)
BMW E92 M3: 4.6s (AMS)
Audi RS4: 4.6s (Automobil A)
BMW E90 M3: 4.7s (AMS)
BMW E92 M3: 4.8s (BMW)
BMW E92 M3: 4.8s (Sportauto)
BMW E92 M3: 4.8s (Powercar Germany)
BMW E92 M3: 4.8s (Dutch Mag - BMW Fanatics Magazine)
BMW E92 M3: 4.8s (Auto Bild)
BMW E93 M3 M-DCT: 4.9s (Sportscars)
BMW E92 M3: 4.9s (AM&S)
BMW E92 M3: 4.9s (AM&S)
BMW E90 M3: 4.9s (Sportauto)
BMW E90 M3: 5.0s (Autozeitung)
BMW E93 M3 M-DCT: 5.1s (Autozeitung)
BMW E92 M3: 5.1s (Automobil A (noted traction problems))
BMW E92 M3: 5.1s (18" - Powercar Germany)
Audi RS4: 5.1s (Dutch Mag - BMW Fanatics Magazine)
BMW E90 M3: 5.2s (18" - Powercar Germany)
0 ~ 100 mph time:
BMW E92 M3: 9.4s (R&T)
BMW E92 M3 M-DCT: 9.7 (MT)
BMW E92 M3: 9.8s (C&D)
BMW E90 M3: 9.8s (C&D)
BMW E90 M3: 10.1s (MT)
BMW E92 M3: 10.2s (AMS) (160km/h?)
BMW E92 M3: 10.2s (Autocar)
Audi RS4: 10.5s (Autocar)
BMW E92 M3: 10.6s (AM&S)
BMW E93 M3 M-DCT: 11.0s (Sportscars)
BMW E93 M3 M-DCT: 11.2s (Autozeitung)
0 ~ 150 mph time:
BMW E90 M3: 24.9s (C&D)
BMW E92 M3: 25.5s
Audi RS4: 25.6s
BMW M3 M-DCT: 26s (C&D)
0 ~ 200 km/h time:
BMW E92 M3 M-DCT: 15.2s (Auto Bild)
BMW E92 M3: 15.2s (Powercar Germany)
BMW E92 M3: 15.4s (AMS)
BMW E92 M3: 15.7s (Autobild&Sportauto)
BMW E92 M3: 15.8s (Supertest)
BMW E92 M3: 15.8s (BMW)
Audi RS4: 15.8s (Automobil A)
BMW E90 M3: 15.9s (Sportauto)
BMW E90 M3: 15.9s (Autozeitung)
BMW E90 M3: 16.0s (AMS)
BMW E92 M3: 16.0s (Dutch Mag - BMW Fanatics Magazine)
BMW E92 M3: 16.1s (18" - Powercar Germany)
BMW E92 M3: 16.3s (Auto Bild)
BMW E90 M3: 16.4s (18" - Powercar Germany)
BMW E92 M3: 16.7s (AM&S)
BMW E92 M3: 16.7s (Automobil A (noted traction problems))
Audi RS4: 17.2s (Dutch Mag - BMW Fanatics Magazine)
BMW E93 M3 M-DCT: 17.3s (Autozeitung)
BMW E93 M3 M-DCT: 17.6s (Sportscars)
1/4 mile time and speed:
BMW E92 M3: 12.5s @ 114.8 mph (R&T)
BMW E92 M3 M-DCT: 12.6 @ 113.2 mph (MT)
BMW E90 M3: 12.6 @ 113mph (C&D)
BMW E90 M3: 12.7s @ 111.3mph (MT)
BMW M3 M-DCT: 12.7 @ 113 mph
Audi RS4: 12.8 @ 109 mph (R&T)
BMW E92 M3: 12.9 @ 111 mph (C&D)
Audi RS4: 13.1 @ 111.5 mph (AutoCar)
BMW E93 M3 M-DCT: 13.4s @ ?112mph? (Sportscars)
BMW E92 M3: 13.3 @ 112 mph (AutoCar)
As you car see from the data compiled that the variation between the times are huge, but as you will also see the RS4 isn't the slowest in any of the disciplines, that title falls to the M3, nor was it the quickest, again that title falls to the M3. Does this mean that the M3 is slower, of course not, that has never been my argument, the point I am trying to make and it seems to be falling on deaf ears is that the evidence proves the RS4 is very much in the running and seldom is any slower.
P.S.
Maybe in a rolling start at the 50km/h suits the gearing of M3 better than the RS4, or maybe the drivers in the BMWs are better at shifting gear than the Audi drivers, that is something I could agree with as when you try and hurry a Quattro's shift you can fuck it up a lot of the time. I don't know the reason for their results but I can read and the above list tells a different story than anything I have ever seen at an M5Board event.