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      06-01-2008, 07:42 PM   #102
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Originally Posted by ArtPE View Post
if you think they couldn't, you're mistaken...
think M5 V10 in an e9x...this would drive the cost up a maximum of 5k...

they do not want to build the fastest car, but the BEST car...
they do not market to folk who predicate everything on speed...
honestly, the overlap of those who think that way, and have the money to buy these cars, is very small...

the M3's were NEVER the fastest straight line cars...they were always STREET PASSENGER cars, with comfort, ride, value and performance all equally balanced...did you read the comments about the gtr's ride?
horrible...unbearable...on 29 psi to boot...like a wooden wheeled wagon

these cars are a novelty...speed? a turbo'ed civic will waste them...so what?
btw, did I mention it's a STREET car, used 99% of normal things, groceries, work, etc.
and they would not 'race' in the same class...a 4 liter vs a 6.5 (effective) liter car, w/awd?

why do you think they did not use DFI...because they couldn't?
they did on the 335i...
you don't think it was a engineering and business driven decision?
it was technical inablity to execute? riiiight

DFI does not decrease mpg much, if any, only in lean burn cruise mode...
I say let others play...it could be a liability, after the first 1700 PSI underhood fire...can you say flash explosion...

it does not yeild power, it may allow you raise Cr, which will...but 12:1 is pretty high, and limited by octane...
R&D...they have the largest budget of all manufacturers, iirc, it's one reason there profit margin has been low, reinvestment...
but they choose to put it into VIABLE and SELLABLE reasearch:
deisels
H2
smaller cars, 1 series
etc.

not some low return (if any) marketing driven tripe...just so they can stick another badge on saying DI

the gtr is trash...
it's a loss leader
new platform
new drivetrain
new tranny
new engine
a new whizbang video game electronics
small production numbers

2 scenarios:
1 they are doing it to raise profile, PR, which would leave one to believe they will put out 'spin' and 'hype' to achieve their goal...they will lose money on each...smart business, perhaps that's why they are the Japanese = of dodge

2 they are making a profit on it...doubt it, but if so the car must be junk, and time will tell it's true 'value', the C&D car had <4k miles and was purportedly malfuntioning...this a car vetted by the factory, just for the purpose of generating positive reviews...
I understand that you are going to praise all the decisions that BMW and the M division made in regards to the M3 and point out any weakness you can about it's competitors, ie to inform others that the M3 is peerless and faultless. That is fine with me, maybe that is your job.

I respectfully disagree with this line of reasoning. If the M division and Mphiles are not willing to honestly critique the M's for their strengths as well as it's weaknesses, the Ms will surely fall further behind it's newest competitor the GT-R. IMO, one of the reasons the M division no longer dominates it's competition is because auto journalists have given the M division a free ride for to many years. And as you know, too many free rides is not conducive to critical self-evaluation ie, motivation and determination to stay on top. Maybe it is exactly as you said, BMW could build faster cars but they don't want to. That my friend probably sums up the current state of affairs at BMW.
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