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Originally Posted by SoreHead
Drivel now? I love this forum. It's full of the most obnoxious people I've come across in all my years online. I've yet to find so many people that are incapable of disagreeing without some form of abuse thrown in. Proves what I've said for years about M3 drivers and BMW drivers in general though so no surprises there. Did I say "They won't cover your warranty you idiot"??? No. I just stated what I wanted to and that was it. Like a civilised human being. I guess I was stupid to expect the same back
When I talk about a track day I mean a real one where you go an drive like it is a race. Otherwise it's just a Sunday drive with no speed limits. Go check out a few magazine and internet track tests of the M3. Once the track has a few corners the brakes fall off after only 2 or 3 laps. Not exactly track designed there now is it? Also, if you think our standard M3's are designed to take full track abuse then all the best with that. I hope you don't find out the hard way that they aren't. A GT3 will be much better able to cope with demands of a track day but it's still a road car in highly tuned form so it's already under stress. If I spent the money on one I'd definitely do a track day or two (you'd have to really) but that would be it.
As for warranty. I don't believe for one second that if you blow your gearbox and head back to BMW and tell them you were driving the nuts off it on your 10th track day that they won't laugh you out of the showroom. I will believe it if I see proof. Of course even if I get proof I could still go the route of this thread and say the proof is false and even though I see it I don't believe it.
It is not cheating if the alterations that were made can be made by any owner on any showroom car. You said yourself that BMW tell you how to set the car up for track. Do you not think they did that for their ring timing run??
I'm not familiar with the new GT3 but I would put money on it that if the suspension is adjustable that they adjusted it to suit the track before they did their timing run.
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I apologize for the strong word I used, drivel. It was not appropriate. I simply get frustrated when folks state things as facts when they are absolutely false and in this case you are.
You are now clearly trying to have it both ways. Will BMW and Porsche cover cars used for track days or not? A track day is any event on a race track, driving as hard as one wishes, but with the key exception that timing and placing is not used. It is not a race. Plain and simple.
The fact of the matter is that BMW and Porsche do and will cover such events under warranty. There is evidence of that on the BMW side on this very forum and on places like 6speedonline on the Porsche side. Heck BMW themselves will take you out on the track as part of the delivery of your new M car!
Many vehicles not just BMWs and Porsches will handle hard periodic track days with no significant long term negative effects. Wear is always a factor, absolutely, a car driven at 9 or 10 10ths will certainly wear faster than one driven at a daily driving pace. There is no excuse and no reason for denying a warranty claim on a sporty vehicle based on non-competitive track use.
I further purpost that this statement is absolutely false, "It is not cheating if the alterations that were made can be made by any owner on any showroom car." "Showroom stock" has a very precise definition and if you don't see that I don't think we can have much of a discussion on the point. Under your absurd definition nearly any modification can be done still calling a car showroom stock; tires, wheels, brakes, suspension components, suspension adjustments, ECU software, etc., etc.
Last but not least, the instructions in the M3 owners manual on track use does not discuss modifications nor adjustments to the car. It is a short, general set of statements and precautions. The mere presence of these statements in the owners manual lies in massive stark contrast to Nissans approach toward track use.