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      01-25-2012, 01:17 PM   #92
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Hi everyone,

Sorry for the late response, we have been extremely busy at the shop and have not had time to come on the forums. We see there has a been a lot of input in this thread and we do agree with some of you. First, let us start by clearing some things up. We never said this will happen to all of the S65 motors, all we stated was that we have seen this happen to completely stock S65s as well as supercharged cars, as our example shows. Obviously adding an S/C kit will accelerate this process, but that doesn't mean it wasn't going to happen on its own, the S/C just made it happen faster. Of course an S/C adds stress to your motor, this engine wasn't designed for F/I and we are not saying an S/C causes no harm. We will not sit here and lie to our customers, we know we have a great product and we stand by it but we also like to educate our customers and aware them of issues we have found. As many of you already know, You have to pay to play .

Now lets continue, most of you seem to think this is just a bearing clearance issue. Yes, this is part of the problem but not the only problem or main problem. From our experience we have found that BMW from factory tends to run tighter oil clearances on all of their motors, M or not. This does not mean all of their motors bearings or motors end up like this. We have said it before and we will say it again, one of the biggest issues we have found in the S65 is the lack of lubrication caused by the oil pump and the wet sump design. Not everyone will agree with us and that is completely ok. We are not here to argue with anyone or get in a pissing war with people on the forums. We speak from actual R & D experience and just posted this video to help people a little better understand whats going on in these motors and get a visual for it as well. Take this information however you want, again it is only here for that purpose, information. You can see for your self and are entitled to your own opinion. We have been pulling these motors apart and doing heavy testing from the day the e90/92 M3 was released in the states. We now have a production Stage 3 kit where we have modified/upgraded a lot more than just bearing clearances. We hope you guys understand that we cant just come on here and give out all of the information we have discovered over the last 4 years. We have been working very hard and that would defeat the whole purpose of our R & D.

Now, we do know there is other people on the forums who are having their motors built by very reputable and knowledgeable engine builders, for example PG. But remember this is still the first S65 motor he will be assembling, so we are also interested on seeing how that turns out. An engine is an engine but any great engine builder will tell you, there is tricks of the trade you can only learn with experience and we have exactly that, experience. We don't just have experience with building different kinds of engines in general but specifically with the s65 engines. So again, not everyone will agree with what we are saying but that's what we have come to learn from our own experience.

Again, sorry for the late response, we are short staffed at the time and we are focusing our attention on completing are current projects and continuing our R & D. All the changes we have made to date on our stage 3 builds have been working thus far. As we continue to raise the boost and push the limits on the S65 (which we are currently doing ) we are sure we will be faced with more problems. We know we are far from being done and we will continue trying to find the weaknesses and improvements that can be made on the S65 so that we can offer our customers a wide range of HP levels to choose from. Hope this helps with some of the concerns and questions. Everyone is welcomed to call us directly or E mail us with any further questions and or inquiries.

Thanks for your time.

Rgd
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