not helpfull i know, but i got mine at MSRP. then again i placed a deposit 2 years ago for the list.
i am sure if you see a dealer with some cars sitting on the lot, they might give you below msrp. east bay bmw has a JB/Black Novillo that still has not sold - but i thinks its the only one left.
most people are ordering their cars, which means the dealers are not really budging from msrp cause they know people want them
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