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We're not all that different - I've never said torque at low rpms and in gear results are totally unimportant. And just like with hp any car will benefit from more of those things. The DCT indeed makes both your and Bruce's arguments about the hassle/difficulty of accessing the true torque multiplication from the M3s high ratios hold much less water.

By the way is this the great flat/high rpm torque you are talking about? Compare the stock yellow torque curve for the TT-RS to the M3s. Get real no comparison in shape nor width, the ONLY place the TT-RS is superior is below 4500 rpm and it is only significantly better below 3500. Christ when you are on it at all in an M3 you have 90-100% of its torque to 8000 rpm! So this case is a very typical one to discuss the general principal. You can have one or the other, not really both and I simply prefer the M3s engine characteristics.

On a related point what rpm do you think is going to be the ideal shifting rpm based on the TT-RS dynos?