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      03-24-2015, 12:14 PM   #2555
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Originally Posted by regular guy View Post
Part-1: Rod bolt clamping pressure:

M3post reader, kawasaki00 measured the OEM rod bolt clamping pressure, along with the clamping pressure of two different types of Carrillo rod bolts. As he discovered, the OEM rod bolts offer far more clamping pressure vs. Carrillo rod bolts, and it's believed the clamping pressure (or lack thereof) may cause the rod big end bore distortion and lead to increased bearing clearance at 90-degrees. Increased bearing clearance is a good thing, but bore distortion is not. I'm pretty sure that increased clearance at the cost of bore distortion is not advised. However, I'll let kawasaki00 and the other engine experts comment on that.

Here's the rod bolt clamping force data generated by kawasaki00:

At Torque
Over Torque
Bolt Type
53 in/lb
177 in/lb
130 degrees
+20 degrees
OEM Rod Bolt #1
1169
3075
10933
11570
OEM Rod Bolt #2
1101
2998
10855
11323
Bolt Type
22 ft/lbs
50 degrees
+20 degrees
Carrillo WMC #1
4200
8160
10211
Carrillo WMC #2
4189
8110
10301
Carrillo SPS
3270
7870


Notes:
Carrillo WMC bolts @ 50 degrees, 0.006 inch stretch
Carrillo SPS bolts @ 54 degrees, 0.0065 inch stretch


Part-2: Rod big-end ovality with different rod bolts:

With the rod bolt clamping data above, the next test will see which rod bolt creates the roundest circle. This will test for the "ovality" of the rod big end bore by checking the measurements at seven different points around the circle. Although the ARP-2000 and ARP-625 rod bolts were not tested above, I believe the two Carrillo rod bolts are of similar quality and specifications. (kawasaki00 can comment on that.)

For the most part, the OEM rod bolts create a near perfectly-round circle. Four of the eight rods I tested were 1/10000th of an inch or less out of round. That's probably what you would expect since these rods were honed (the process of making the circle round) with OEM rod bolts.

The ARP-2000 rod bolts did not create a perfectly round circle. The ARP-2000 rod bolts, with less clamping pressure produced bore distortion at 90-degrees. The bore distorts larger towards 90-degrees, and this would explain Malek's and Van Dyne's measurement of increased clearance when using the aftermarket ARP bolts. But is this enough to matter? Kawasaki00 told me privately, yes, this is a significant amount of ovality, and he would not use these bolts unless he was also able to rehone the connecting rod big ends to make them round again.

The data:

OEM Rod Bolt Measurements:

Torque Specifications: 20 Nm + 130 degrees

DegreesOEM Rod Bolts
R1
R2
R3
R4
R5
R6
R7
R8
Ambient Temperature
76.4
76.3
76.2
76.1
76.0
76.1
76.1
76.0
5.00
2.20490
2.20495
2.20520
2.20500
2.20510
2.20520
2.20515
2.20510
19.75
2.20490
2.20500
2.20510
2.20500
2.20500
2.20520
2.20510
2.20510
45.00
2.20500
2.20510
2.20515
2.20520
2.20500
2.20500
2.20500
2.20520
90.00
2.20510
2.20530
2.20515
2.20540
2.20515
2.20510
2.20515
2.20520
135.00
2.20500
2.20520
2.20520
2.20520
2.20510
2.20515
2.20500
2.20520
160.25
2.20500
2.20510
2.20520
2.20500
2.20520
2.20520
2.20510
2.20515
175.00
2.20500
2.20500
2.20520
2.20500
2.20520
2.20530
2.20510
2.20515


Ovality:

DegreesOEM Rod Bolts
R1
R2
R3
R4
R5
R6
R7
R8
Ambient Temperature
76.4
76.3
76.2
76.1
76.0
76.1
76.1
76.0
5.00
-0.00005
-0.00002
0.00000
0.00000
-0.00005
-0.00005
0.00003
-0.00002
19.75
-0.00005
0.00002
-0.00010
0.00000
-0.00015
-0.00005
-0.00002
-0.00002
45.00
0.00005
0.00012
-0.00005
0.00020
-0.00015
-0.00025
-0.00012
0.00008
90.00
0.00015
0.00032
-0.00005
0.00040
0.00000
-0.00015
0.00003
0.00008
135.00
0.00005
0.00022
0.00000
0.00020
-0.00005
-0.00010
-0.00012
0.00008
160.25
0.00005
0.00012
0.00000
0.00000
0.00005
-0.00005
-0.00002
0.00003
175.00
0.00005
0.00002
0.00000
0.00000
0.00005
0.00005
-0.00002
0.00003



ARP-2000 Rod Bolt Measurements:

Torque Specifications: 45 Ft-Lbs

DegreesOEM Rod Bolts
R1
R2
R3
R4
R5
R6
R7
R8
Ambient Temperature
75.4
75.2
75.5
75.8
75.6
75.2
75.7
75.3
5.00
2.20500
2.20500
2.20520
2.20500
2.20520
2.20515
2.20520
2.20515
19.75
2.20520
2.20535
2.20540
2.20535
2.20540
2.20530
2.20540
2.20540
45.00
2.20560
2.20560
2.20560
2.20560
2.20550
2.20550
2.20540
2.20560
90.00
2.20575
2.20580
2.20580
2.20580
2.20560
2.20560
2.20565
2.20580
135.00
2.20560
2.20540
2.20565
2.20560
2.20550
2.20545
2.20540
2.20565
160.25
2.20520
2.20520
2.20530
2.20520
2.20535
2.20535
2.20530
2.20530
175.00
2.20500
2.20500
2.20520
2.20500
2.20520
2.20520
2.20510
2.20510


Ovality:

DegreesOEM Rod Bolts
R1
R2
R3
R4
R5
R6
R7
R8
Ambient Temperature
75.4
75.2
75.5
75.8
75.6
75.2
75.7
75.3
5.00
0.00000
0.00000
0.00000
0.00000
0.00000
-0.00002
0.00005
0.00003
19.75
0.00020
0.00035
0.00020
0.00035
0.00020
0.00012
0.00025
0.00028
45.00
0.00060
0.00060
0.00040
0.00060
0.00030
0.00032
0.00025
0.00048
90.00
0.00075
0.00080
0.00060
0.00080
0.00040
0.00042
0.00050
0.00068
135.00
0.00060
0.00040
0.00045
0.00060
0.00030
0.00027
0.00025
0.00053
160.25
0.00020
0.00020
0.00010
0.00020
0.00015
0.00018
0.00015
0.00018
175.00
0.00000
0.00000
0.00000
0.00000
0.00000
0.00002
-0.00005
-0.00002


Graph(s):



Next Steps:

Next week, ARP-625 bolts will arrive. I will repeat this measuring process with the ARP-625 bolts and post the results when they are available.

Thanks to Malek for loaning me the ARP-2000 rod bolts. Before returning them, I plan to measure bearing clearance.
Thanks for the measurement and gathering all the info. I wonder what this implies for those of us that used the ARP2000 rod bolts. Is that .0005 differential with the oem bolt that significant? If I recall, the bore is not exactly round once the bearing is in place anyway, right? Should we open up the engine and change the rod bolt asap? Will wait to see the result with the 625+ one. Thank you once again.
Appreciate 0