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Originally Posted by jworms
this is simply incorrect ...
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Originally Posted by Serious
Easy enough.
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Respectfully - none of these and similar responses provide one defined, quantifiable suggestion of satisfying the demands made here. There was not one specific example of adding/changing/implementing any particular aspect of the product that reaches the goals and is marketable.
"Faster and lighter" are difficult and contradict the "cheaper" goal.
Example: the very first (and non-specific) suggestion is self-disclaimed at the start with "though not lighter."
That's
exactly the point.
So then we have ...
"prius only weighs 3042lbs" - but it doesn't do "fast;"
"how about a corvette (3200lbs)" - but it doesn't have a back seat, and a truly competitive model is expensive;
"let's consider that a cayman S only weighs 2976 lbs" - but it doesn't have a back seat, it doesn't handle like a BMW and it is expensive.
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Originally Posted by jworms
"How about the CTS-V, or again the mustang GT that seriously undercuts the M3's price tag"
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Yes, and forum members dis them as unacceptable because they are not BMW's.
And have you driven them? Would you spend your money on them instead of a BMW or a Porsche? For the purpose of saving $10,000? And absorb the higher depreciation? How many people here, or you, with a car enthusiast's mindset have actually purchased one instead of a BMW?
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Originally Posted by jworms
an equivalent base GT-R ($85k) and the GT-R is still worlds faster. $10k can look like a mighty small difference when you consider that.
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This contradicts the demand that BMW is too expensive - it goes in the wrong direction!!
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Originally Posted by Serious
More aluminum
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Add cost, contradict "cheaper."
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Originally Posted by Serious
Quit sharing chassis & major components between models
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Add cost, contradict "cheaper."
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Originally Posted by Serious
No fully electronic power steering.
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Add cost, contradict "cheaper" and "lighter."
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Originally Posted by jworms
bmw ... certainly (has) the ability to build what their enthusiasts want so badly
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How? What specific product do we want? That will enhance or at least not hurt the bottom line? With the "we" being more than a narrow slice of a small audience for any given feature emphasis?
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Originally Posted by jworms
They choose to build something that merely "keeps up with the competition", barely beating it in most cases
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How do we see BMW making a conscious effort to limit itself? For what purpose? When virtually all reviews of competitive products still use BMW's products as the sole common benchmark?
Critiquing products is very easy - sit back and pick. Coming up with real alternatives that are usable is very difficult, and hasn't happened in this Forum very much.
I'm not defending BMW. I'm looking for support for alternatives.
