This is my IMHO, I think that thread revealed more about the mentality of this forum and some of the members. That "mighter then thou" elitist attitude is starting to surface real fast. No doubt the original poster's friend is an idiot just base on his comment and attitude, however I still don't think we need to bash Camry just because of one idiot. Camry SE is somewhat sportier then what it used to be and it's a great car..by no mean is it a sports car, but the engine is solid and the price is right. You can't really compare it to the 3s, is like comparing apple to orange, but at the end you throw out the conclusion that orange sucks because you can't eat it without peeling off the skin..