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      03-03-2011, 01:57 AM   #76
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Originally Posted by bruce.augenstein@comcast. View Post
Are you off your meds? I mention anecdotally that I've been interested in the development of automatics ever since Jim Hall, and you say that I "can come up with any isolated anecdote" - to prove what, exactly? That I've been interested in the development of automatics ever since Jim Hall?

Take a pill. Take a shot. Calm down.
No reason to get nasty.

I interpreted your comment about Jim winning with a 2 speed auto as some anecdotal evidence of how great automatic transmissions are for racing. My reply had nothing to do with your interests. You misread that.

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Bias? I agree that BMW has (finally) quelled the issues, after a ridiculous amount of time. The last post on the lag issue (#1739, in this forum) was on 12/12/10, and it said that the lag was only noticeable on a 2011.5 model if you knew what you were looking for and really looked for it. Great progress, BMW.
No argument that is should have been better on initial release and that it took too long to fix. However, where we differ is the real world impact of that on an objective measure of the overall quality and performance of the unit, bugs or not.

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VW/Audi never had problems as deep as this, and particularly not for this duration.

Since I was so interested in the technology, I followed vw.Vortex very closely indeed. Minor issues at first rollout. Seemed mostly dealer related. Forget which Audi site I followed (mostly because we had an A6 4.2), but same deal.

Porsche has had a few problems, but again, BMW still holds the crown for worst rollout of this technology.
OK you have followed some Audi DSG issues. They had issues as well. It wouldn't be beyond you to under/overstate the sides of your case to bolster your argument.

By the way did you also follow all of the other major DCT launches like Nissan and Mitsubishi. I'd be willing to bet all had some issues. Despite your claim about Porsche inventing (modern) DCTs so many decades ago true modern DCTs are very complex both in terms of their hardware and software. Some growing pains are expected and they happened with other brands as well.

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Oh, almost forgot. Just like the '41 Oldsmobile, you can shift the auto M3 or it shifts itself. No clutch pedal in either car. Automatics both.
You are entitled to your opinion, me to mine. Unfortunately for you both a significant number of forum members here voted on their idea of the best and most accurate term and automatic did not win. Also as I mentioned most journalists prefer some term other than automatic.