This argument will go on forever with no conclusion. It will only end when we all end up in electric cars with no gearing. Haters gonna hate in both directions till the end of time. Many people realize this but will continue to contribute (myself included) because success in an internet forum debate does not mandate winning, it only requires that one's thoughts are acknowledged and perhaps validated by others (even if not agreed to).
Also, claims of butt hurt towards other participants in the debate always make internet discussions worth their while.