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      12-17-2010, 04:48 PM   #57
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Originally Posted by bruce.augenstein@comcast. View Post
I assume (and hope) that you're stating that as an opinion. True?

If you're purporting that your 0-60 method of measure is the One True Method, then there are a number of U.S. magazines who disagree with you, and, even though I am personally not sure just exactly what a true 0-60 time is, I have made what I think is an equally strong and defensible case for an alternate method.

Of course, as I've also stated, 0-60 is essentially meaningless in terms of "which car is faster".

In any event, anybody else with an opinion on the One True 0-60 measurement?



I am truly baffled by this hair splitting. Zero to Sixty is zero to sixty. There is no method and it isn't an opinion. It is a rigid set of parameters.
Whether you think its a meaningful measurement is up to you (i don't).
If you want a 1' rollout then it's a "1 foot rollout to 60" measurement.
It seems we're both interested in an (as you said) apples to apples test.
That's why I don't care for magazines that count a 1' rollout. The car is moving at 1'.

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The term "rollout" might not be familiar, but it comes from the drag strip. The arrangement of the timing beams for drag racing can be confusing, primarily because the 7-inch separation between the "pre-stage" and "stage" beams is not the source of rollout. The pre-stage beam, which has no effect on timing, is only there to help drivers creep up to the starting position. Rollout comes from the 1-foot separation (11.5 inches, actually) between the point where the leading edge of a front tire "rolls in" to the final staging beam triggering the countdown to the green light that starts the race and the point where the trailing edge of that tire "rolls out" of that same beam, the triggering event that starts the clock. A driver skilled at "shallow staging" can therefore get almost a free foot of untimed acceleration before the clock officially starts, effectively achieving a rolling-start velocity of 3-5 mph and shaving the 0.3 second it typically takes to cover that distance off his elapsed time (ET) in the process.

We believe the use of rollout for quarter-mile timed runs is appropriate, as this test is designed to represent an optimum drag strip run that a car owner can replicate at a drag strip. In the spirit of consistency, we also follow NHRA practice when calculating quarter-mile trap speed at the end of the run. So we publish the average speed over the final 66 feet of the quarter-mile run, even though our VBOX can tell us the instantaneous speed at the end of the 1,320-foot course, which is usually faster.

On the other hand, the use of rollout with 0-60 times is inappropriate in our view. For one, 0-60-mph acceleration is not a drag-racing convention. More important, it's called ZERO to 60 mph, not 3 or 4 mph to 60 mph, which is what you get when you apply rollout. While it is tempting to use rollout in order to make 0-60 acceleration look more impressive by 0.3 second, thereby hyping both the car's performance and the apparent skill of the test driver, we think it's cheating.

Nevertheless, some car magazines and some automobile manufacturers use rollout anyway and fail to tell their customers. We've decided against this practice. We publish real 0-60 times instead. But in order to illuminate this issue and ensure we do justice to every car's real performance, we've begun publishing a clearly marked "with rollout" 0-60 time alongside the primary no-rollout 0-60 time so readers can see the effects of this bogus practice.
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