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      04-27-2006, 01:18 PM   #35


Originally Posted by david06M3
OK. Let's compare a M3 CSL to the 997 S. Similar horses (M3 360hp/ 997 S 355hp), similar weight (M3 3200/ 997 S 3100)... Both cars were built to be true sports cars, no? This is more an apples to apples comparison.

Even with ceramic brakes and PASM the 997 S is NOWHERE near a 7:50 around the Nurburgring. Where the CSL has an unfair advantage over the 997 S is in the handling department. The Carrera GT's 1.35g skidpad doesn't match the CSL's 1.4g. Top Gear didn't even compare the CSL to the 997 S.

They felt a better comparison was the CSL to the GT3. The GT3 won around their track, but the CSL run was classified a wet run because of weather conditions.

I know it's pure speculation to say it until it's here (but you started it).
The e92 M3 cupholders and all, will be quicker and handle better than the 997 S.

Exactly!! I think nameplate dominates this discussion in many ways, because it seems impossible for a BMW to out-"sport" the sportscar Porsche. However, BMWs can and do that all the time. In fact the V8 powered M3 racecars absolutly dominated Porsche 911 cars in GT races, to the point that porsche had BMW banned. (much of the reason the new M3 is coming with a factory V8). Now BMWs sold for street use are a bit different, they are weighed down with alot of leather, electronic seats, navigation systems, soundsystems too. Because of this the M3 turns into a bit of a PIG. But have you walked into a porsche dealership recently? Those cars are no longer sold as stripped out pure sports cars anymore, they are sold as luxury pieces and come with every amenity you can imagine. Compare those side to side and the M3 doesnt seem as much of a grand touring pig anymore. Then you can compare the Nordeschliefe times of two of these cars in street prep and you see the Porsche doing the ring in about 8:18 and the M3 in 8:20. Not bad for the M3, but of course the Porsche has the decisive lead.

Now BMW is doing for the roadgoing car what it did for the race car a few years back, close that gap by throwing a bit more power under the hood with a V8. On the track, the BMWs absolutly trashed the porsches, and expect the same result with the sold-for-the-road cars. Sorry porsche fans, you guys have all the respect in the world for some of the finest cars in the world, but BMW ///M has you beat on this one.