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      11-03-2009, 02:13 PM   #453
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Where did you get the 997.1 GT3 weight figure of 3000 on the dot??? That is completely incorrect.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...w/specs_page_2

It actually was well over 3200 lbs in a track test so the M3 GT4 will have both a better power-to-weight and torque-to-weight than the 997.1 GT3.

GT3 997.1 pwr: 3250/415 = 7.8 lbs/HP
M3 GT4 pwr: 3200 - 3300 lbs (estimate)/450 = 7.1 - 7.3 lbs/HP

The M3 GT4 will most likely be capable of running ~7:35 around Nurburgring. The E46 CSL ran a 7:50 with only 355 HP so I highly doubt the GT4 with 100 more HP will only be 10 seconds quicker.

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Originally Posted by shift@red View Post
So you think the car is capable of better than 7:40?? I find that tough to believe. 997.1 GT3 was ~7:40 +/- and has a power to weight of 7.2 (3000 lbs/415 hp). this m3 even going on the lighter side and higher hp side has a power to weight of 7.3 (3300 lbs and 450 hp). the new GT3 did 7:33 and the claim is 7:30 is a theoretical best with a traditional manual. I assume the 997.2 GT3 RS will be hitting the mid 7:20s. And once the GT3 gets PDK transmission, i would bet the reg GT3 will be hitting 7:20s and the GT3RS may even be down to around 7:20.
I think the m3 is def a 7:40s range but no better based on this hp/wght ratio.




I agree there is definate room for chasis improvement. Porsche and Ferrari continue to tweak and hone and refine their chasis' with each generation. Porsche took the GT3 and gained 10 secs with some teaks and barely any more hp. The key was keeping weigh down, even making it lighter in the process.
This m3 is still too heavy at even 3300/3400 lbs. I dont think for a price around the same as a GT3 or used Ferrari it would get many serious buyers. Porsche and Ferrari do and will always have this market because they are the top dogs, and have been doing it for countless years.
The GT3 is straight homologation from the GT3 RSR, which you prob know WON the ALMS GT2 class AGAIN this year leaving Ferrari, Corvette, and BMW in its dust.
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