Originally Posted by needforspeed
The ottoman empire was the height of the muslim civilisation and it was (for it's time) a relatively peaceful one.
Every single civilisation in the worlds history has been founded on war and has fought wars.
I don't think you could name a single civilisation or country which has lived pecefully with it's neighbours for a significant period.
For instance here is a list of wars fought by America:
The list of wars fought and countries annexed by the UK would be too long to print.
The bottom line is that the religion of Islam is a legitimate and peaceful one.
There are problems in the current world climate with various states and islamic groups which take a fundamentalist approach to their religion and culture. In doing so they clash with the west and destroy the human rights of their people. There is nothing wrong with fighting humans rights abuse no matter where it is found.
But there are hundreds of millions of Muslims on this planet who want to practice their faith and live in peace as part of a civilised forward thinking society.
Pawarrant / Bad Bob and CMD are not going to convince me that Islam is somehow bad.
Put simply I cannot concieve of how you are able to make such sweeping and unfounded generalisations about such a vast number of people.
Bad Bob for instance thinks his country is fighting a war against Islam.
President Bush says otherwise - he understands that the West cannot fight the 'war on terror' without the support of the wider Muslim people:
"The terrorists practice a fringe form of Islamic extremism that has been rejected by Muslim scholars and the vast majority of Muslim clerics -- a fringe movement that perverts the peaceful teachings of Islam. The terrorists' directive commands them to kill Christians and Jews, to kill all Americans, and make no distinction among military and civilians, including women and children."
What amazes me is that you guys are the ones that call me naive.
But a religion is what its believers say it is. In any age the nature and substance of any religion is defined by those who are most strident and assertive in saying what it is
. And in this age it is the Islamic Resistance Movement, the voices of Puritanical Islam, the Islam of Jihad against the Unbelievers and Infidels, all the Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, the Liberal Democracies, and all the others, that define Islam for the world. Perhaps one day the silent and invisible majority of non-militant Muslims will become an outspoken and visible majority, and then the dialectic of Islam will change, the voice of Islam to the world will change, and Islam will become what it should be
: a great religion. A religion of peace.