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      01-17-2009, 03:19 AM   #28

Drives: 2008 BMW M3 Coupe
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Toronto

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Originally Posted by Alex///M View Post
I'm not sure I quite understand what you are saying about your setup for the winter. You state that you are "driving through a Toronto winter with OEM 18s". Does this mean that you also have the OEM Michelin Pilot Sport 2 tires mounted?

If so, then this explains all of the problems you state you have had with the tail kicking out and the car being generally scary in the snow. As has been stated many times before on this and other forums.....Pilot Sport 2's absolutely SUCK in snow and ice conditions. They are not designed for that environment and the rubber compound just hardens up and becomes like a brick in cold weather so it provides almost literally no grip. If you are indeed still on your Michelin PS2s then consider yourself one of the luckiest people around for having made it through a snow storm on them.

Now if you meant to say that you are running OEM 18s with a winter tire mounted, then I am at a loss as to why you are having so much trouble keeping the back end of the car from kicking out . I would definitely start with staying away from MDM and driving the car with all driver aids on and as sedately as possible. I have a set of Bridgestone Blizzak winter tires on 18" wheels on my E90 and it has driven beautifully through snow and ice. The rear wheels only spinning out a little bit on the most extreme of ice conditions so far and certainly no back end wiggling without intentional prodding of the throttle pedal for some fun. Solid and very controllable is the best way I can describe it.

I don't know if this helped. Maybe if you clarify your setup for winter driving I can make some more relevant suggestions.

Drive safe!
Thanks for your response. Sorry for not clarifying my winter set up. It's the BMW M3 winter package with Michelin Pilot Alpin PA3 tires. I don't have the kicking out problem all the time. It was just that day when we had in excess of 20cm of snow and the freeways weren't cleared. I had EDC set to comfort and had the power button off. The traction control light was flickering quite a bit, and I kept the RPMs low too.

A friend of who has the same tires as me, and has the same issues, while another friend with the Blizzaks claims it drives beautifully. So I wonder if it has anything to do with the tires in these extreme conditions.

I guess I also had to get used to driving a RWD in snow, since all my previous RWDs were in places where the coldest it got was 10 degrees celsius.