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      08-19-2008, 10:09 PM   #75
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Originally Posted by bruce.augenstein@comcast. View Post
I would say that's clearly true. You describe torque splits which I'm sure are different from Audi - but of course that's not the point I'm asking you about. It's also true not all 300 HP cars are equal. As a for instance, I'm sure you're aware of the true 335 power - something around 10% above spec as typically measured on chassis dynos. So let's just ignore that part of your comment, shall we? It's a little subterfuge on your part in order to "prove" how the Audi awd is a power sucker compared to the xi.

This is a popular opinion but BMW / SAE has a rating of 300 hp..... sure there can be games but as you well know the ECU can make adjustments.....

Are you attributing all the RS4 kills to gearing?

I'm a little taken aback. You and I know the A6 4.2 is a pig off the line with its tall gearing, while your more aggressively geared xi can launch like a ball bearing out of a slingshot with either boost building against the converter or big revs and sudden clutch. Either way, you're making big power right away while the Audi struggles against those 2.73s. Then there's the aforementioned underrating of the 335, based on average chassis dyno numbers. Finally, our A6 4.2s weighed 4120 pounds with a half tank of fuel (at least mine did, on certified scales), and the current model is listed at 4222, full of gas.

I don't know what you're trying to do here, but once again, do you have anything that actually demonstrates your assertion?


I personally don't actually give a damn about "defending" Audi, but Jesus, guy, if you're just spouting off because you don't like Audi, say so, and we'll call it a day and move on.


Yes, I was off on the A6 4.2 weight, I was quoting a 2.8.

I am not sure what you want as data and proof. RS4s losing? Personal experience my A6 4.2 felt dead after 150 kph? RS4s losing? The RS4 vs. M3 torque curves on the other thread? Where the torque to the wheels for the RS4 (420hp) is significantly lower than the M3 (414hp).

Sure I don't like Audi because of their dogmatic use of Quattro and their inferior implementation of AWD.
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