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      03-11-2008, 08:47 PM   #115
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If we were debating matters of science then we could debate facts based on science. If we are debating something in scripture, we can debate in the realm of Bible Study, faith, and history.
We are debating how the Universe and physical world we live in works!! One approach is science, the self correcting machinery, critical thinking approach. The other is religion, obedience to authority, no empirical evidence, all based on an ancient book. And to add insult to injury, THERE ARE various religions!!

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You question the power of God because of your unbelief. The Jews were given incredible proof in the desert, yet they rebelled. Yet many didn't believe. If you see God's power every day, soon you lose sight of wherefrom that power came.
This is fluff statement. Facts, please! What proof? What are you talking about?

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What important questions? You have not participated in interesting Bible studies. Most of the time the way you use the term "critical thinking" it comes across as meaning against all things that are not based on empirical evidence. That is a narrow view of critical thinking. Perhaps a review of what constitutes critical thinking is in order. Critical thinking does not require the scientific method at all.
What important questions? ??? How about: Laws of Universe, where do we come from, how to get predictable results, what is truth the best we can tell, what’s right not who’s right??????

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If you don't believe there is a God, and you don't believe that you can know him, then there is no basis for a discussion. You can remain an orphan.
Once again, you loose an argument and you retreat to your Sunday sermon BS. What orphan? How? Why? Facts? Evidence?

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When I had just become a teenager, I read the Old Testament. Many of my views about the Old Testament were like yours. If you are closed to revelation, then you cannot understand it. Even if you were to memorize the words that would not give you understanding. For me, it wasn't until I was 21 or 22 years old that I read the New Testament. At that time I was open to revelation. Then the New Testament and the Old Testament both made perfect sense. If you were open to revelation, we may be able to have a discussion of substance on scripture.
Open to revelation? What does that mean? If you are gullible, you’ll be open to any claim without evidence!! SCIENTOLOGY DUDE!!!

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That could be an interesting talk over a beer, but quiet places are usually where discussions of substance are productive.
I’d do it, but I’m worried if you have wide stance….no footsee stuff…
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You might consider my point about critical thinking. For many different reasons not all matters to ponder are subject to empirical evidence... probably more than are supported by any kind of scientific evidence.
What matters? Be specific!!!

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There is plenty that has nothing to do with faith or religion that can be so categorized. Cults are merely one type of example.
Cult is just organized religion's offspring.

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Evidence does not always lead to belief. Many have seen and have heard yet did not believe. It is easier to believe with evidence, but then free will is less available, and the consequences of ignorance are then greater. You would not enter the promised land.
What land? Where is it? Facts, please!!! I’m talking physical and empirical evidence. I don’t have to believe in radio waves, but THEY WORK. ALL THE TIME. UNLIKE PRAYER!!!!!!

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The sheep know their shephard's call. If you are of another flock, you do not follow.
I don’t consider myself a sheep. Do you?

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Of course you take the child to the doctor. It is wise to pray as well.
Why is it wise? Do you have any experimental data to present?
Carl Sagan quote: When prayer doesn’t work, that constitutes data!!!

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If you were thirsty, you wouldn't need to have a miracle of water coming out of a rock if you could get ice water from the refrigerator door. If you were in a mine-shaft that had caved in and you were thirsty, you might pray for a miracle and that your alternative to water would sustain your life. You would still radio for help if that were working.
Which way of thinking provided us with refrigerator and radio? Religious or scientific?

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Prayer doesn't fix anything. It might bring inner peace. Prayer is communication with God. God will do as he will. At times he will act on our heartfelt desire. But that is not a foregone conclusion. Often, our faith is too small and our sincerity is lacking.
So what’s the difference between God that exist and the one that doesn’t?
Let me try and answer this: Your inner peace.
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