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      03-09-2008, 07:51 PM   #108
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You draw conclusions that are nonsense and do not support your argument. As a perfect scientist, you shouldn't offer opinion, just the facts. No hyperbole.
scotty…scotty, I feel anger. I feel defeat coming from your words. Don’t you understand that you can’t debate me on facts and evidence? Your belief is based on anything but evidence. My trust is supported by it. What hyperbole? BE specific?

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You presume that Christian and religious people do not think critically. You jump to lazy conclusions.
Noah, parting the red sea, resurrection…should I continue? Facts please! Evidence?

Christians think critically when they negotiate a lease for their 335i! But they fail miserably when it comes to more important questions. You wouldn’t vote for anyone that isn’t a Christian fundie!!!
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I don't think I have suppressed any questions. I may ignore some that are of no interest to me. Ask someone who cares.
More anger…How about this question:
You claim that JC is the son of God and savior. We are all sinners and we’re going to hell if we don’t believe it. Facts? Evidence? Experiments?

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How much of the Holy Bible have you read? How long ago?
I’ve read it all. It seemed bizarre, morally outdated and cruel. I can support this with facts. We can debate this elsewhere.

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I used to read avidly about astronomy. I still watch many shows on astronomy and read science news. I once thought I wanted to be an astronomer. It is fascinating science.
I agree. You are definitely well educated and debate worthy. I’d like to have a beer with you. You are a facts guy when it comes to everything except Christianity.

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You dismiss other people's beliefs as false because they are different than your own, yet where you have different beliefs, when they are not embraced by someone you identify as religious, then you belittle them as if it will make you bigger.
I dismiss “beliefs” that are not supported by evidence, NOT because they are different than mine. I thrive when someone proves me wrong! I just learned something. It must be supported by experimental data though.

Anyone can claim anything, and if there are enough people to support it, it becomes mainstream. Scientology comes to mind.

You feel angry because in this day and age it is extremely difficult for the religious to debate science based on facts. It has been a common trait on these debates that Christians become frustrated. I’d be frustrated too if I had to defend extraordinary claims with NO evidence.

I offered this advice to the religious as a face saving escape. Just claim that you “believe” without proof, and stay away from arguments that are based on facts. If you think about it, isn’t religion defined by it? Belief without evidence.
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