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      01-06-2008, 08:12 PM   #55
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Originally Posted by TurboFan View Post
Overall, I'd take our system of the Canadian helthcare system, any day, all day long. At NO point have I said ours is without its flaws. The biggest flaw in our healthcare system is the inability of people to be responsible for their own actions.

The issue of cost must be addressed in the US healthcare system, and the government is not in the position to address this directly. The VA medical system is one of the worst run institutions in the country. We don't need to turn the rest of our system into a VA type system, which is exactly what we'll have. If we want to fix medical costs in this country we first must address tort law, and then move on from there. When you take the attorneys out of medicine, the costs WILL come down.

I don't beleive that everyone should have equal access to the most expensive, most advanced, least proven treatments available. I beleive in a basic level of care for all, and more advanced, expensive treatment if someone wants to pay for it. If someone has made a lifestyle choice that results in poor health, in no friggin way should I have to pay for their choices. If they want to pay, great, go for it.

I don't believe in entitlements, and I believe a government run healthcare system will stiffle innovation.

Yes, my coworkers do call me with questions, and share medical info I don't want to know and ask questions I really don't want to know about, and seek advice on specialists. I do "know my stuff". There's a reason for that.

Completely RIDICULOUS and heartless!
I would completely agree if you said that not everyone should drive the best car ou there, but that you don't believe that everyone should have the access to the best possible medical treatment is a plain nonsence. WHat about pre-existing conditions that were not the outcome of bad food, smoking or lack of exercise? What about the baby born with a defect to parents that work at local grocery stores???

If you think our medical system is better (or more preferrable to you) than Canadian -- please explain -- What happens to your medical coverage IF you get really sick, i.e. cannot work any more? Or if you get laid off??? What happens to your wife, to "your" new born baby?
Also, if you do not get med coverage through employment, but apply by yourself -- what happens if you have a pre-existing condition? Will you get the coverage? Will you be able to afford the coverage?

Will your insurance cover for you if you wish to go to France for the procedure instead in the USA (within the network)? Canadian will!

ANd that all is PPO stuff. What if you have an HMO? Will you get pre-approved for the procedure as preventive care? Most likely not! I had an HMO a few years back and went to nutricionist to consult with them because I have diabetes and HBP running in my family. My numbers are great, but I am at risk of genetically developing both. The insurance did not want to pay for the preventive care. It was cheap, so OK, I cannot even imagine more complex things...

Yep, they would rather spend thousands when you develop the desease that was probably preventable, then they would dump you and the end (you have pre-existing condition for the next guy)...

What is so great about our medical system as it is? Sure, we do have great doctors with great equipment and most of the time you can get in within reasonable time (though try to get derm appt in FL -- some areas 8-month wait). But the other countries (Canada, France, Germany, Taiwan, China, Japan, India -- ones that I (or someone close to me) experienced medical treatment with have it too.

I completely agree on a capitalistic approach to businesses, trade, etc...but medical treatment is a complete nonsence. We get equalized to our wallets and receive a type of medicsal attention according to our wealth. That is simply ridiculous in today's world. And our Gov't goes accross the world to "help some other oppressed country" get rid of dictators and make their lives better, but the basic stuff like medical and education are PURE business here instead of necessity. It is a HealthCARE that you get cared about only if you're either NOT sick or wealthy...