i work in the oil/gas business in Houston.
massive massive Engineering, Procurement and Construction contractors.
i've been working with engineers, drafters and designers for a LONG time.
out of 10 engineers, 2 or 3 seem to be normal human beings with lives and some sense of how the world works....
the other 70-80% are just like shah - 40 year old virgins completely detached from reality that dress like they're stuck on MTV in the 90's....