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      11-05-2012, 04:50 PM   #114
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Originally Posted by Wolfinwolfsclothing View Post
GT3 doesnt come with PCCBs stock, FYI. My analogy was that you agree the GT3 is a big step up, but the 991S performs nearly identically for less money than a GT3, so argueing the 991S isnt a huge step up, which it is, doesnt make sense to me.

Magazine racing aside, Ive been at the drap strip around here, and Atco and Englishtown are two of the fastest tracks in the country and Ive never seen a real world M3 stock trap more than 110 mph or so. Ive actually seen 991S' trapping 117 stock. That IS a huge jump in performance (7 mph in trap speed) just on the straight line front not to mention what happens when looking at track times. Even a FBO M3 with DCT will only trap about 116-117 and be in line with a stock 991S. You cant say that isnt very significant.
I never claimed I could personally run a 991S at 7:40, but you couldnt drive an m3 to an 8:05 either. I do know I would still be much faster in a 991S than an M3 or m3 GTS for that matter.
Granted the price is not cheap, but well worth it for the huge performance, the quality that is unmatched (except for maybe 2 or 3 other car makers out there) and a car that is as highly regarded as it is. The fact that this car has GT3 performance for less $$ is damn good. The 30K difference is more than justified when all things are considered IMO...just ask those who have switch from the M3 to the 991S and confirm this in spades not only on the price justification but in performance. 20 mph on the same corners in the 991S over an M3 is beyond huge.
In order to get the performance of this car, other than buying a gtr, z06 or GT500, youre not going to get this type of performance in the 991S for less money (new vs new) and none of those will give you the same experience or quality.
I dont doubt you love the car, but you are probably the only person I know who would say the performance increase is incremental rather than the massive step up it is. Again, the next gen M3 will be lucky if it can match the 991S (in a straight, wont touch track times) when it comes out in 2 years. If its not worth whatever it comes to in price per you spec, no prob, but that doesnt deny the performance difference being quite significant.
I know the GT3 doesn't come with PCCBs as standard, just making the point that the price of the GT3 would even be greater than the M3 by a much wider margin when you include options such as these. I mean you can price out a 991S to be in the $125K range, while the M3 fully loaded is still under $80K. A fully loaded GT3 is in the same range as a fully loaded 991S, so that was my point.

I'm not arguing or debating you on the rest of it...for me it just isn't worth that much of a difference. If I have that kind of disposable income, then I would love to get one, just the M3 really is the sweet spot when it comes to this kind of car. In my opinion, your opinion may vary.

Once again, I love the 991 and the 997.2 variety in any model. When it comes to me getting another PCar again it will have to be the 991S. Just once again I have to be in position to own such a car, again.

2013 M3 Coupe-MR/BLK ZCP, ACM test pipes, BPM Stg2 dev. tune and Megan catback, AFE Stg2. with C/F elbow VMRV810 19x10&19X11 275/295 Mich PSS.
Previous rides: 2011 M3 Coupe-MR/Blk
2007 Porsche 997C2S Speed Yellow/Blk sport seats
2004 BMW M3 Imola/Blk