Originally Posted by Dave07997S
Having owned both, well the 997.1S..the E92 M3 feels much more alive than my 997S did, at least in the engine department, no comparison. The M3 feels much more alive due to the S65 powerplant, while performance numbers are actually pretty similar.
However, if you need to use the back seats for other than transporting small children, thats all they are good for, the M3 is the car for you. If you can afford the cost of a 991S and don't need the back seats no doubt in my mind where I would spend my money. Love the 991S...can't afford it now, also for the fact I need real back seats. When I had my 997S I had a 08 328i to drive around, not anymore.
Haven't had a chance to drive a 991, but the 997.1S bounced around a lot, did not feel as secure and not as easy to go fast in as the E92 M3. Drove a 997.2S and this seemed to be pretty much gone, felt more secure than my 997.1S but still not as secure as the M3. You really have to know how to drive a PCar to take advantage with it, otherwise both the M3 and 997/991 can out drive you any day of the week and it really is a moot point.
I priced out a 991S with just the sport PASM and the $800 sport seats and just under $100k...man thats alot of dough for what amounts to as just an incremental improvement in performance. If I had the money though...very tempting.
991 is VERY planted.
I dont see how you call it an incremental increase in performance though.
Ring - M3 8:05, 991S 7:40. The next M3 wont even come close to 7:40.
Trap speed - 991S is 118-119 mph vs 111-112 mph in the M3. 6-8 mph in trap speed is a completely different ballgame. Not even a FBO M3 with DCT will trap that and I doubt the next M3 when it comes in 2 years will be even trapping those speeds...maybe within 2-3 mph though.
ETs - same story...huge difference there.
And generally looking at lap times, the 991S put up times most 500-600 hp cars put down. M3 doesnt come close on any lap time whatsoever on any track.
And from any speed, any gear, any MPH, the 991S will pull away like a freight train.
The performance increase is significant. If you truly think that is only incremental then you'd have to agree that the performance increase from e46 m3 to e92 m3 was only incremental at best since the jump from our M3s to a 991S is bigger than e46 m3 to e92 m3...and we all know that is certainly not the case. And its not the case with the 991S either by any stretch.
Or we could say it this way. A 997 GT3 we can all agree is a BIG step up over our M3s, the 991S performs at nearly the same level on all aspects (yet is less in price than a new GT3 was)...you were even the one to say the 991S on fifth gear paced with the 997.2 GT3 tires considered.